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Paddycripps wrote:

Kerridge?

Kerridge really improved last season. A lot cleaner hands after a shaky Melbourne game, better decision making and cleaner disposal.

Wow great analysis Ralphy

The Normal One wrote:

Paddycripps wrote:

Kerridge?

Kerridge really improved last season. A lot cleaner hands after a shaky Melbourne game, better decision making and cleaner disposal.

Tough too, can take a hit.

How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole

Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote:

IT is the recruiting black hole that could have brought Carlton to its knees.

Eight years of drafting and trading that secured the Blues a collection of list cloggers, draft busts and the odd star.

Fittingly, when all else failed they turned to a club legend with the nickname “SOS”.

Carlton needed saving and in just two trade and draft cycles, list boss Stephen Silvagni has done extremely well to begin turning the ship around.

And yet Carlton’s latest bout of delistings this week laid bare the dramatic extent of the list overhaul.

The Blues have turned over 64 players in five years, effectively turning over their entire list one and a half times in that period.

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So how far is Carlton away from surging up the charts?

The defence is clearly the strongest line, with Jones, Jacob Weitering, Marchbank, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty and Sam Rowe all mixing and matching.

Gibbs’ departure leaves the midfield a little thin, but if Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy, Kennedy, Ed Curnow, Petreveski-Seton, Lang and Kerridge stay fit it is at least building in momentum.

The front six is clearly the line in most need of patience, with Harry McKay a two-gamer, Curnow a freak who still needs time and Levi Casboult’s best year in footy still only bringing 34 goals.

With two more successful drafts this will be a list Blues fans believe is going places.

Donstuie wrote:

How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole

Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote:

I am shocked to be sitting here.

Donstuie wrote:

How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole

Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote:

I am shocked. A half decent positive article about Carlton.

Mullett will do a much better job running the wings and making play than Boekhurst could. Upgrade.

He played a bit in the midfield this year.

If not as a rebounding back he may add to midfield as an outside mid/ wing.

Not sure if I'd have him play as a rebounding HB.
I've seen him lose a few one on one contests.

Recruiters from other teams always have doubts when players go to different clubs . Spoke to a Port Adelaide recruiter he said Jack Silvagni would never make the AFL hewaswrong .go figure!

Just what we need.

A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. :razz:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Just what we need.

A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. :razz:

As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade?

BigBlueWave wrote:

Just what we need.

A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. :razz:

As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade?

Spoke with a recruiter from another club this morning. Has big doubts about Mullett. Says he has the physical attributes but a very poor decision maker which was his understanding why North let him go.. We will see.

ianh wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Just what we need.

A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. :razz:

As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade?

Bring back Mick!

So far in this offseason we have managed essentially the following trade offs:

Gibbs>Kennedy
Armfield>Lang
Buckley>Mullett
Gorringe>Lobbe
Boekhorst> Pick 3
Jaksch > Pick 10
Smedts> Pick 30
Palmer> Pick 73
White> Rookie Pick 3
Korcheck> Rookie Pick 21
Gallucci> Rookie Pick 39
Sumner > Rookie Pick 57
Sheehan > Cat B Rookie?

While we obviously lose the Gibbs> Kennedy trade off in the immediate future, we will presumably win it in the long run (more games out of Kennedy).

Armfield had some real high impact games but was on the slide, I'd back lang to improve on his output.

Dylan couldn't get a game at AFL level, Mullett should be a step up.

Gorringe couldn't ruck, could run. Lobbe can ruck, can mark, can play.

Then we get to Boekhorst, Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer for the draft picks. While potentially Boekhorst might have produced more at AFL level than a draftee in 2018, I doubt it.

I am suggesting that we will take 1 more rookie this year rather than use the main list spot, although I wouldn't be surprised by Hartung if that came about.

I think we are looking for a new Cat B rookie to take Sheehan's spot.

Author:	Scotty12000 [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:45 am ]
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The Normal One wrote: Paddycripps wrote: Kerridge? Kerridge really improved last season. A lot cleaner hands after a shaky Melbourne game, better decision making and cleaner disposal. Tough too, can take a hit.

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:31 pm ]
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Megaman wrote: Wow great analysis Ralphy Ghost writer

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:31 pm ]
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Scotty12000 wrote: The Normal One wrote: Paddycripps wrote: Kerridge? Kerridge really improved last season. A lot cleaner hands after a shaky Melbourne game, better decision making and cleaner disposal. Tough too, can take a hit. Agree. Honest Foot soldier who played within his means after the Dees game.

Author:	kezza [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:45 pm ]
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Donstuie wrote: How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote: IT is the recruiting black hole that could have brought Carlton to its knees. Eight years of drafting and trading that secured the Blues a collection of list cloggers, draft busts and the odd star. Fittingly, when all else failed they turned to a club legend with the nickname “SOS”. Carlton needed saving and in just two trade and draft cycles, list boss Stephen Silvagni has done extremely well to begin turning the ship around. And yet Carlton’s latest bout of delistings this week laid bare the dramatic extent of the list overhaul. The Blues have turned over 64 players in five years, effectively turning over their entire list one and a half times in that period. *********** So how far is Carlton away from surging up the charts? The defence is clearly the strongest line, with Jones, Jacob Weitering, Marchbank, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty and Sam Rowe all mixing and matching. Gibbs’ departure leaves the midfield a little thin, but if Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy, Kennedy, Ed Curnow, Petreveski-Seton, Lang and Kerridge stay fit it is at least building in momentum. The front six is clearly the line in most need of patience, with Harry McKay a two-gamer, Curnow a freak who still needs time and Levi Casboult’s best year in footy still only bringing 34 goals. With two more successful drafts this will be a list Blues fans believe is going places. I am shocked. A half decent positive article about Carlton.

Author:	jake_h03 [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:50 pm ]
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kezza wrote: Donstuie wrote: How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote: IT is the recruiting black hole that could have brought Carlton to its knees. Eight years of drafting and trading that secured the Blues a collection of list cloggers, draft busts and the odd star. Fittingly, when all else failed they turned to a club legend with the nickname “SOS”. Carlton needed saving and in just two trade and draft cycles, list boss Stephen Silvagni has done extremely well to begin turning the ship around. And yet Carlton’s latest bout of delistings this week laid bare the dramatic extent of the list overhaul. The Blues have turned over 64 players in five years, effectively turning over their entire list one and a half times in that period. *********** So how far is Carlton away from surging up the charts? The defence is clearly the strongest line, with Jones, Jacob Weitering, Marchbank, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty and Sam Rowe all mixing and matching. Gibbs’ departure leaves the midfield a little thin, but if Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy, Kennedy, Ed Curnow, Petreveski-Seton, Lang and Kerridge stay fit it is at least building in momentum. The front six is clearly the line in most need of patience, with Harry McKay a two-gamer, Curnow a freak who still needs time and Levi Casboult’s best year in footy still only bringing 34 goals. With two more successful drafts this will be a list Blues fans believe is going places. I am shocked to be sitting here.

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Author:	Donstuie [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:11 pm ]
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kezza wrote: Donstuie wrote: How Stephen Silvagni has helped drag Carlton’s list out of a deep dark black hole Jon Ralph is obsessed with us right now wrote: IT is the recruiting black hole that could have brought Carlton to its knees. Eight years of drafting and trading that secured the Blues a collection of list cloggers, draft busts and the odd star. Fittingly, when all else failed they turned to a club legend with the nickname “SOS”. Carlton needed saving and in just two trade and draft cycles, list boss Stephen Silvagni has done extremely well to begin turning the ship around. And yet Carlton’s latest bout of delistings this week laid bare the dramatic extent of the list overhaul. The Blues have turned over 64 players in five years, effectively turning over their entire list one and a half times in that period. *********** So how far is Carlton away from surging up the charts? The defence is clearly the strongest line, with Jones, Jacob Weitering, Marchbank, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty and Sam Rowe all mixing and matching. Gibbs’ departure leaves the midfield a little thin, but if Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy, Kennedy, Ed Curnow, Petreveski-Seton, Lang and Kerridge stay fit it is at least building in momentum. The front six is clearly the line in most need of patience, with Harry McKay a two-gamer, Curnow a freak who still needs time and Levi Casboult’s best year in footy still only bringing 34 goals. With two more successful drafts this will be a list Blues fans believe is going places. I am shocked. A half decent positive article about Carlton. Still backhanded though.

Author:	ianh [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:15 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: Mullett will do a much better job running the wings and making play than Boekhurst could. Upgrade. He played a bit in the midfield this year. If not as a rebounding back he may add to midfield as an outside mid/ wing. Not sure if I'd have him play as a rebounding HB. I've seen him lose a few one on one contests. My initial thinking is Mullett to a wing, Williamson at half-back but those two could interchange a bit - both left-footers so couldn't see tham both in defence together especially with Simpson still there. Longer term Mullett might be the Simpson replacement.

Author:	woof [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:32 pm ]
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This Mullett guy has come on in the last few days.

Author:	Taff [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:50 pm ]
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Spoke with a recruiter from another club this morning. Has big doubts about Mullett. Says he has the physical attributes but a very poor decision maker which was his understanding why North let him go.. We will see.

Author:	spock [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:19 pm ]
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Recruiters from other teams always have doubts when players go to different clubs . Spoke to a Port Adelaide recruiter he said Jack Silvagni would never make the AFL hewaswrong .go figure!

Author:	Taff [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:14 pm ]
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spock wrote: Recruiters from other teams always have doubts when players go to different clubs . Spoke to a Port Adelaide recruiter he said Jack Silvagni would never make the AFL hewaswrong .go figure! All very subjective.

Author:	BigBlueWave [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:27 am ]
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Just what we need. A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours.

Author:	ianh [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:07 pm ]
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BigBlueWave wrote: Just what we need. A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade?

Author:	Taff [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:17 pm ]
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ianh wrote: BigBlueWave wrote: Just what we need. A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade? Coming from such a low base it is an improvement but how much is still to be seen.

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Author:	Trigger [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:48 pm ]
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ianh wrote: BigBlueWave wrote: Just what we need. A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade? Bring back Mick!

Author:	Crippa [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:06 pm ]
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Taff wrote: Spoke with a recruiter from another club this morning. Has big doubts about Mullett. Says he has the physical attributes but a very poor decision maker which was his understanding why North let him go.. We will see. I haven't seen a club recruiter say a positive thing about an opposition recruiter's decision yet.

Author:	BigBlueWave [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:20 pm ]
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Trigger wrote: ianh wrote: BigBlueWave wrote: Just what we need. A half back flanker who is a poor decision maker and who was rejected by a club with a worse list than ours. As a Boekhorst replacement - longer kick, tougher, more versatile, comparable pace, gets more of it - how not an upgrade? Bring back Mick! I blame the Madhouse.

Author:	Donstuie [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:22 am ]
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I thought this summed up our offseason so far https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... t-53316888 Blue and Silver wrote: So far in this offseason we have managed essentially the following trade offs: Gibbs>Kennedy Armfield>Lang Buckley>Mullett Gorringe>Lobbe Boekhorst> Pick 3 Jaksch > Pick 10 Smedts> Pick 30 Palmer> Pick 73 White> Rookie Pick 3 Korcheck> Rookie Pick 21 Gallucci> Rookie Pick 39 Sumner > Rookie Pick 57 Sheehan > Cat B Rookie? While we obviously lose the Gibbs> Kennedy trade off in the immediate future, we will presumably win it in the long run (more games out of Kennedy). Armfield had some real high impact games but was on the slide, I'd back lang to improve on his output. Dylan couldn't get a game at AFL level, Mullett should be a step up. Gorringe couldn't ruck, could run. Lobbe can ruck, can mark, can play. Then we get to Boekhorst, Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer for the draft picks. While potentially Boekhorst might have produced more at AFL level than a draftee in 2018, I doubt it. I am suggesting that we will take 1 more rookie this year rather than use the main list spot, although I wouldn't be surprised by Hartung if that came about. I think we are looking for a new Cat B rookie to take Sheehan's spot.

Author:	Megaman [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:22 pm ]
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They need a new arrow symbol, looks like they are suggesting Boekhurst is better than pick 3

Author:	jim [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:49 pm ]
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Taff wrote: Spoke with a recruiter from another club this morning. Has big doubts about Mullett. Says he has the physical attributes but a very poor decision maker which was his understanding why North let him go.. We will see. Being a delisted free agent you're certainly not getting perfection. You take them with all their faults.