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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:39 am 
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Two chances l would think.


would one of them be buckley's?

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Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


Exactly. And players will know if they see a mismatch, to get on outside and spread.

Our backline is solid and most importantly we have players in that mix that can play tall or small. Our forward line will take shape with McKay/Jack/Ben and Pickett/Sumner/Wright - and maybe Smith.

Charlie Curnow has become our most important young player. He needs to run in the centre as a second bull alongside Cripps, with SPS, Fisher, Cuners (all of whom can play) and this year's pick buzzing on the outside. In Kreuz, we already have a ruckman that becomes a midfielder that hits the deck.

Hate to say it, this is the year we need to be bold with our trades/drafts... as Bulldogs and Tigers were the year before they pinched their flags. We already have more pieces of the puzzle than we think. Murph and Gibbs need to be on the table for astute in's.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


We will see. I've heard a lot of counter arguments over the year and in the end they all add up to nothing. The big bash might just be another that having an extra running player at each contest overrides.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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OFF-SEASON KEY DATES

Tuesday October 3 to Friday October 6 — AFL Draft Combine

Friday October 6 — AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period begins

Monday October 9, 9am — AFL Trade Period begins

Saturday October 14 — South Australian Draft Combine

Sunday October 15 — West Australian Draft Combine

Sunday October 15, 5pm — Close of AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period

Wednesday October 18 — AFL restricted free agency matching offer three-day period ends

Thursday October 19, 2pm — AFL Trade Period closes

Wednesday November 1 — AFL delisted player free agency period (1) begins

Wednesday November 8 — AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes

Friday November 10 — AFL delisted player free agency period (2) begins

Friday November 17, 5pm — AFL delisted player free agency period (2) closes

Friday November 24 — AFL National Draft

Saturday November 25 — AFL delisted player free agency period (3) begins

Sunday November 26, 2pm — AFL delisted player free agency period (3) closes

Monday November 27 — AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts

Wednesday November 29, 2pm — Final AFL club list lodgement

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


Could not believe Jacobs was so dumb with these contests.
Not just a matter of smashing it forward but placing it to your teams advantage or designated area.
Surely Adelaide knew how Bitchmond would setup with these and have a plan. Nothing, zilch. Horrible coaching.


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 Post subject: List Management 2017
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:39 pm 
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club29 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


We will see. I've heard a lot of counter arguments over the year and in the end they all add up to nothing. The big bash might just be another that having an extra running player at each contest overrides.


I don’t see how, the “extra” running player will be busy contesting the ruck, not 20 metres away where the ball gets hit. The “Grigg” model only works if the ball is tapped close to the ruck contest.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:08 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


We will see. I've heard a lot of counter arguments over the year and in the end they all add up to nothing. The big bash might just be another that having an extra running player at each contest overrides.


I don’t see how, the “extra” running player will be busy contesting the ruck, not 20 metres away where the ball gets hit. The “Grigg” model only works if the ball is tapped close to the ruck contest.


Over the course of a game. Ball gets hit 20m. Pingpongs around for a couple of seconds. Who is at that next contest applying pressure? Grigg or Jacobs? The outnumber will be with Richmond.

Most teams are not game to hit the ball outside the bubble to a random situation. Either a controlled exit or it stays in. I can't see it changing. Crows had watched the Tigers do it all year and still didn't have the balls to just what it foward when they were in a "nothing to lose" situation. The big punch is too random. Like the bomb kickout down the guts.

The game will evolve. What we are seeing with the Dogs(16') and Tigers is the Collingwood 2010 gameplan on roids. The necessary adjustments have been made to deal with changes in ruck rules and interchange caps. The main change is losing talls players for runnings players. After the Pies 2010 mega press the Hawks brought out the kicking game to counter it. It worked.
Perhaps the answer now is the kicking game on roids. Can't see how though. Requires too much skill that one team could not possibly possess.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:38 pm 
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The game will evolve. What we are seeing with the Dogs(16') and Tigers is the Collingwood 2010 gameplan on roids. After the Pies 2010 mega press the Hawks brought out the kicking game to counter it. It worked.
Perhaps the answer now is the kicking game on roids. Can't see how though. Requires too much skill that one team could not possibly possess.

Not sure about that.
The Hawks side of 2012-15 (2012 they should have won the GF but for poor conversion in front of goal), Geelong from 2007-09 and 2011, St Kilda 2009 (should have won the GF) and Collingwood 2010 would have all beaten this Richmond side very easily. In fact the games would have been over by half time.
IMO the Swans this year probably would have easily accounted for the Tigers if they made the GF.
Richmond deserve to be premiers however the Crows were one of the weakest grand final teams we have seen for a while IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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McKay will apparently be on trade radio at 3pm.

Don't expect much though.

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Andrew McKay on trade radio at 3pm.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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Cazzesman wrote:
CARLTON SEASON KEY DATES

Tuesday October 3 to Friday October 6 — AFL Draft Combine

Friday October 6 — AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period begins

Monday October 9, 9am — AFL Trade Period begins

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/914704499339436032



https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/914704886016512000



https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/914705200258080768


played a straight bat on Smith Kennedy and Rockliff


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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Donstuie wrote:
McKay will apparently be on trade radio at 3pm.

Don't expect much though.


About as lively an interview as a mid 90s drop in pitch on day 3 at the MCG.

Typically cautious responses to all questions.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/914707486321418240


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 Post subject: List Management 2017
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club29 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Could Rockliff play the Grigg role ( the new Leigh Brown role) ? Onballer come second ruck.
Charlie Curnow also an option. Bearing in mind Grigg doesnt really do anything in the ruck but keep the oppo ruckman accountable. He then becomes an extra onballer.
Of the 29 ruck contests Grigg took in the finals he lost them all but Richmond won those clearances by a long way losing only 4.


This tactic will get worked out quickly and won’t be as effective next year, any decent ruckman will smash the ball clear of the stoppage to a place his midfielders will be waiting instead of just trying to top it down.


We will see. I've heard a lot of counter arguments over the year and in the end they all add up to nothing. The big bash might just be another that having an extra running player at each contest overrides.


I don’t see how, the “extra” running player will be busy contesting the ruck, not 20 metres away where the ball gets hit. The “Grigg” model only works if the ball is tapped close to the ruck contest.


Over the course of a game. Ball gets hit 20m. Pingpongs around for a couple of seconds. Who is at that next contest applying pressure? Grigg or Jacobs? The outnumber will be with Richmond.

Most teams are not game to hit the ball outside the bubble to a random situation. Either a controlled exit or it stays in. I can't see it changing. Crows had watched the Tigers do it all year and still didn't have the balls to just what it foward when they were in a "nothing to lose" situation. The big punch is too random. Like the bomb kickout down the guts.

The game will evolve. What we are seeing with the Dogs(16') and Tigers is the Collingwood 2010 gameplan on roids. The necessary adjustments have been made to deal with changes in ruck rules and interchange caps. The main change is losing talls players for runnings players. After the Pies 2010 mega press the Hawks brought out the kicking game to counter it. It worked.
Perhaps the answer now is the kicking game on roids. Can't see how though. Requires too much skill that one team could not possibly possess.


Actually I was going to add that for us I’d say Kruezer is the equal of Grigg as a midfielder so I don’t think their model would be so effective against us.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2017
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Actually I was going to add that for us I’d say Kruezer is the equal of Grigg as a midfielder so I don’t think their model would be so effective against us.


I agree but i am talking about replacing the big lugg second forward/second ruck type with a midfielder small forward type.
I think the current gamestyle trends and Kreuzer are going mesh perfectly.


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Of course there is no interest in Griffen but sure we will take him if it means getting kennedy and smith cheaper

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Maybe Daisy has talked his mate Bolts into taking Heath Shaw as the salary dump


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