Didn't Steele pick the Smack Addicts?

Didn't Treloar and Adams pick other teams?

Hoskin Elliott not sure how hard we went on him...


If you're going to criticise SOS for his recruiting decisions, fair enough, but the 'misses' you've mentioned there didn't want to come to Carlton.

And what did they cost?

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sos is not a recruiter - the club held out for 2 years of the ND with no dedicated recruiter

the retreads that sos secured are more losses than wins at this stage - plowman sumner lamb kerridge wright (phillips is now injured)

we have to wait on smedts palmer - from what we have seen - its not looking pretty

I am saying nothing about the pure draftees

Phillips and Plowman are serviceable at least and have come from interrupted intial years still young will be solid contributors , lamb and wright have their strengths they have a red hot go and can kick a goal or two When there on.
Overall not too bad for pick 28.

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We lost Menzel. It is Menzel for kerridge, plowman, sumner, lamb and phillips. We are way ahead. They have already played 85 games.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t ... d688242d17

Mark LoGuidice defends Carlton’s list strategy, labels Matthew Lloyd ‘uninformed’
JAY CLARK, Herald Sun
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CARLTON president Mark LoGiudice has defended the club’s list strategy in the wake of scathing criticism from former Essendon* champion Matthew Lloyd.

In Saturday’s Herald Sun, Lloyd suggested the club’s list strategy under Stephen Silvagni was “half-baked” because they had recruited too many players from other clubs “who just aren’t good enough”.

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He should leave the criticism of Monga Lloyd to us.

He just provides more click through to this s morons article.

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Yeah, it's hardly what I'd call a scintillating defence. Almost as banal as the original and incisive analysis from Monga.

There is truth in that article as well as speculation.
We have no idea how Phillips will turn out. He is still just a kid in ruck development terms.
The recycled players from GWS are mostly top ten draft picks and they couldn't get regular games at their former club because they were competing for a spot in a team that had about thirty top fifteen picks in it, most of them top ten picks. if you are the tird best forward at GWS or the third best backman, doesn't mean you can't play, it just eans you are not getting a game in front of someone who probably went top three and has had the chance to settle in to the system.
We are about to see an unprecedented period of success by a single club when GWS wins multiple flags in the next decade while still having accaess to a huge academy and geographic recruiting region. The AFL has created a monster that may eventually have to be legislated out of the GF so someone else can have a go. They have all those top picks just coming into the experience and age bracket, daft picks to burn or trade for better draft picks, the COLA to top up their salary cap and a hose connected to the best players in the country powered by the AFL's high-pressure hydrant.

The SOS GWS trades were high picks in themselves and are still very young. Pickett looks like he can play. Marchbank is elite in the fitness stakes and can get the footy. Phillips was showing great signs before he went down last year and IMO will make a decent ruck who can mark the footy and kick goals.

The others are what they are. Lamb will probably not play a lot more footy, Smedts can play and is still young enough. Palmer was elite and can teach the kids on-field for a couple of years while we top up. Lamb is a fringe player but shows glimpses. Wright is a soldier as is Kerridge and we need thenm in and under. They are no rolls royces but they are capable of playng hard footy and licking goals. i would think they were pretty reasonabvle gets.

The Dogs won the GF with a team I would certainly not rate as having 19 elite players. They won it on guts and determination, tackling and a good sprinkling of elite players and others who are not elite but have pretty good skills. Let's not forget they finished seventh on the ladder on wins during the season. That wasn't an elite season, it was slightly above average but they won the last four that counted. Good on them but they will struggle to repeat it IMO.

Nobody here thinks we will finish inside the eight this season and many think we will go backwards a bit before we start climbing. That's OK but we have to belive in balance. There is no point denying we stuffed up several successive drafts. That's history and fact but there is no point thinking that by pure drafting we can fix the problem overnight.

Unfortunately, the end of our season last year when we lost two or three games we should have won, including that horror story against Essendon*, set us up for an article like this. We have to cop it.

Lloyd knows footy, despite being a wanker of the first order but he is paid to sell newspapers and he hates Carlton, which has one of the biggest followings in the country and who play next week.....

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The ex-players who really know footy usually end up in coaching. Most of the media are caught up in media-mateship and their own publicity. Most of them only watch a few games a week and derive the remainder of their footy wisdom from chatting to their mates (who only watch a few games a week) on their various radio and tv programs.

I don't object to Monga's willingness to be 'negative'. That's a step ahead of the majority. I object to his partisanship, his lack of research and his 'easy targets'.

I tend to like Lloyd's commentary - he is often brutal in his assessments but I think he is now consciously building his brand on that as well which is driving him a bit more extreme (and becoming a bit confected...)

In this article, he is right that many players we are bringing in won't be there for the long term. Revelation!
But he is wrong to draw the conclusion that this means we are on the wrong track.
We are turning over a lot of players who we know wont make it and replacing them either with players that we believe WILL become very good, long term players (e.g. SPS, Weitering, Marchbank); or talented players that we HOPE might become very good, long term players (e.g. Pickett, Plowman); or players that we are just hoping will play a role in our development who may or may not make it at all, let alone be there for the longer term (e.g. Palmer, Smedts, Wright, Lamb...).
The reason we are not bringing in a bunch of stars is b/c a) there are not enough genuine stars to replace the raft of cloggers we have jettisoned and b) even if there were enough in a single year, we don't have the $$ or trade cache to get them.

So, recognising that we have a terrible list and don't have a great hand, we know that simply waiting our turn will end up in a Richmond-like middle rung team in perpetuity. We need a few unlikely wins to leapfrog some rungs in the competition. Therefore, we are taking a bit of a risky approach trying highly talented, former high draft picks and hoping they can now reach their potential. In addition, we are trading for as many high draft picks as possible and hoping to beef up with a bit of free agency, when the time is right (which btw, I don't believe we are ready for yet at the end of this year with Fyfe...).

So, Lloyd, thanks for the observations - no real great insights there.
But on this occasion, you have misinterpreted both the need and the outcome.

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Agree 17 th - basically if you hear the guy speak he just isn't that bright - the Essendon* cliché after the drugs scandal now feel emboldened and think they can again start throwing their weight around -we have Lloyd being disparaging- Hird in the paper after telling everyone to leave him alone and give him privacy - we have Adam White on 927 at start of discussion about the start of the season saying Richmond and Carlton should not play the opener much better if was the pooh and wees and the drug cheats do - hide under your rock you cheats - disgraceful being disparaging about other clubs when the cheats have hijacked the last 5 years of AFL football with their court actions cheating and falsehoods

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

While there is a lot of water to go under the bridge, what I like about our recent recruiting is that for the first time we're recruiting the right types of players.

Here is a team of our 23 and unders
(not including guys on thin ice like Buckley, Jaksch, Graham and Boekhurst).

B____Plowman____Marchbank____Williamson
HB____Docherty____Weitering____Byrne
C____Sumner____Kerridge*____Petrevski-Seton
HF____Silvagni____Curnow____Polson
F____Lebois____McKay____Pickett
R____??????____Fisher____Cripps
INT____Kerr____Macreadie____Cuningham____Glass-McCasker
*Stop-gap

Granted, many of these guys are unproven. But when was the last time we could fill almost every position on the ground with a young player? In the past we've always been strong in one area but with nothing coming through in others. Here we at least have a chance to build a full team that can at least learn to play and grow together, and shows the benefit of having a competent list manager and strategy.

(Although it also shows that we need more young midfielders and at least one ruck prospect)

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Lloyd is misinformed. Liam Jones should rated as Poor, not Below Average.

Seriously though, he is very tough on Plowman, Philips and Kerridge. Plowman could play 200 games.

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Right on!

WTF does Adam White think he is... Other than an enemy of the Blues? Boycot him.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

It's almost like we are trying to build a side for the future or somethin?!

Crazy, right?

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

I was watching some of the Carlton on TV edits posted by Wookie this morning. Thanks Wookie, you're a legend.

It gave me the opportunity to see some of the bullshit and misrepresentation of our list profile within the media. Matthew Buffoon Lloyd posted a pearler to justify his criticism of Carltons recruiting on footy classified this week.



Now Lloydy, if you're going to criticise a club for recruiting players from other clubs, at least be honest with your proof. His graphic shows the current ages of all the players instead of the age they were when traded for/recruited.

Sam Docherty had only turned 20 the week before we traded for him. Yet Lloyd has him as 23.
Surely if you have to be dishonest to prove your point, it's not a very good one to start with.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.