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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:52 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
List management ...

Byrne Jones Weitering
Plowman Marchbank Docherty

We're in the blazes are we going to put Williamson, Macreade, Rowe, COS...


Williamson interchanges with Byrne who plays up the ground...

Macreadie eventually replaces Plowman... Macreadie is taller, quicker, more agile and a better user of the ball

COS replaces Jacob when he plays forward

Plus depth, there are always injuries!



This. Lachie is a solid defender but his decision making and disposal are very flawed.


He's 2nd on the Carlton list for disposal efficiency with 85%


Yep, easy to be high when the back line switches the ball side to side when teammates are 30 metres in the clear!

Pay closer attention to what's been happening when he's not switching the ball side to side...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:58 pm 
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I'm obviously getting too old for this game because I think he is a fine young player who is courageous and plays on small or tall opponents and other than Docherty and maybe Weitering in the vernacular of the modern football commentator has a body of work and consistency of the last 2 seasons better than any of the rest

Having said that like Macreadie Williamson byrne and hopefully will also be good and see their potential etc but will need to improve and sustain consistency over a few years to push the plow out in my view


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:04 pm 
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Ah, the joy of having some genuine competition for places start to emerge in the backline.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:09 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
don't get the heat on plowman - has had a fine and consistent season - wouldn't mind a few of our others having such a season - might be further up the ladder


I've just read a few posters' opinions on Plowman.
I know they are just opinions but....
How can they get it sooooo wrong. NFI.

We chased him and landed him. He's delivered in spades.
He's quick, has played wing for GWS, and can deal with talls and smalls in defense.
Very good mark. Strong. Kicks accurately whilst being tackled.

Unique. Valuable. Quality.

To those who don't rate him, where do you think he should be played? VFL?

I know we have a plethora of talls, some surplus to our needs, (Gorringe White Jaksch GlassiMac Rowe even Casboult Kerr) but some can play forward, and will.
Apart from the obvious McKay 204 and Curnow 194, there's Weiters at 195 and Marchbank 193 who have played KPF before.
Macreadie has and can played forward too.

Plowman is versatile enough to play midfield too.

I think some posters who find it difficult to find positions for all our good players in the first 22 just drop them.
Don't underrate our good players.
BB is building a team made up of very versatile multi positional players.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:14 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
don't get the heat on plowman - has had a fine and consistent season - wouldn't mind a few of our others having such a season - might be further up the ladder

Yep, Plow is a gem. He doesn't look pretty sometimes. However, he is efficient, effective and will be one of the first picked every week for the next 6-8 years if plays they way he does now. There is a reason he was picked at 4.

Pretty sure this discussion has been had earlier in the year.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:18 pm 
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Plowman will be part of our best 6 backs for 10 years....my goodness.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:58 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
don't get the heat on plowman - has had a fine and consistent season - wouldn't mind a few of our others having such a season - might be further up the ladder


I've just read a few posters' opinions on Plowman.
I know they are just opinions but....
How can they get it sooooo wrong. NFI.

We chased him and landed him. He's delivered in spades.
He's quick, has played wing for GWS, and can deal with talls and smalls in defense.
Very good mark. Strong. Kicks accurately whilst being tackled.

Unique. Valuable. Quality.

To those who don't rate him, where do you think he should be played? VFL?

I know we have a plethora of talls, some surplus to our needs, (Gorringe White Jaksch GlassiMac Rowe even Casboult Kerr) but some can play forward, and will.
Apart from the obvious McKay 204 and Curnow 194, there's Weiters at 195 and Marchbank 193 who have played KPF before.
Macreadie has and can played forward too.

Plowman is versatile enough to play midfield too.

I think some posters who find it difficult to find positions for all our good players in the first 22 just drop them.
Don't underrate our good players.
BB is building a team made up of very versatile multi positional players.

No, No No he should be in the magoos, jaschs shit should be having a go not him!!LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:28 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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someone claiming their own argument is "pretty strong" makes me suspect they are not arguing, (to arguge one must listen) they are prothletising - I would also question what does "we have gone backwards" mean? Gone backwards compared to what? To the win/loss ration or to developing a strong club, a strong list, a strong sense of direction - all of which are moves forward and can happen while "going backwards".


Almost everybody agrees with that. Unfortunately SB is too blind/cynical/jaded/blind to see it. We all feel sorry for him/her.
I'm nobody's bitch.
People have been saying that about me on here for years Crippa.
Unfortunately in most instances I turn out to right.
Don't know if you were around day 1 when I took a set to Pagan. Then Malthouse.
Most thought I was a looney

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Not sure why people on here waste their time responding to you
1. You have limited situational awareness
2. You have limited emotional intelligence
3. You have no power of persuasion in your arguments
4. You have an inability to absorb challenging feedback

You've just finished a management course haven't you.


Sorry to disappoint...no I haven't.
They're observations that even Denis Pagan's mate could make (you know his mate, Freddie the blind miner)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:35 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
once again the twisted argument - no one - no one at all has said they do not enjoy a win, some of us, however, are not blinded by wins as we work to the real goal - flags and sustained success - until then all wins are just niceties along the way.
will it be BB ? - frankly no one knows but at least there is a feel and a look, an energy if you like, of a club that has finally got some sense of itself back. Even the celebration of the '87'ers from all reports was well done, a celebration of our history without a clouding over of what we still must do.

It has never been the losses that have hurt me, it's been the loss of the Bluebagger spirit. That - and regardless of his ultimate success of a coach, that BB, SOS and a bunch of kids are seeking to return to us - interesting we won in front of the 87'ers - old Carlton always strove to win the ones that mattered (often we did) and new Carlton seeks, it seems to me, to do the same.

special mention to Fish - I just love the way he goes about it.


Agreed

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:24 pm 
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I think plow is a solid defender. He may improve also. I still think he makes some pretty shocking errors. Good solid player, but think he'll be fighting for his spot of everyone is up and running. Just my opinion which because it differs to some others apparently means l have no @#$%&! idea. Sorry for not lining up with your obviously infallible opinion

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:34 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
I think plow is a solid defender. He may improve also. I still think he makes some pretty shocking errors. Good solid player, but think he'll be fighting for his spot of everyone is up and running. Just my opinion which because it differs to some others apparently means l have no @#$%&! idea. Sorry for not lining up with your obviously infallible opinion


I'd say all our defenders make some shocking decisions. Doc included.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
don't get the heat on plowman - has had a fine and consistent season - wouldn't mind a few of our others having such a season - might be further up the ladder


I've just read a few posters' opinions on Plowman.
I know they are just opinions but....
How can they get it sooooo wrong. NFI.

We chased him and landed him. He's delivered in spades.
He's quick, has played wing for GWS, and can deal with talls and smalls in defense.
Very good mark. Strong. Kicks accurately whilst being tackled.

Unique. Valuable. Quality.

To those who don't rate him, where do you think he should be played? VFL?

I know we have a plethora of talls, some surplus to our needs, (Gorringe White Jaksch GlassiMac Rowe even Casboult Kerr) but some can play forward, and will.
Apart from the obvious McKay 204 and Curnow 194, there's Weiters at 195 and Marchbank 193 who have played KPF before.
Macreadie has and can played forward too.

Plowman is versatile enough to play midfield too.

I think some posters who find it difficult to find positions for all our good players in the first 22 just drop them.
Don't underrate our good players.
BB is building a team made up of very versatile multi positional players.


Laughable post, that's not the player i watch every week... :lol:

GWS gave him away for a reason (he was contracted)!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:55 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
don't get the heat on plowman - has had a fine and consistent season - wouldn't mind a few of our others having such a season - might be further up the ladder


I've just read a few posters' opinions on Plowman.
I know they are just opinions but....
How can they get it sooooo wrong. NFI.

We chased him and landed him. He's delivered in spades.
He's quick, has played wing for GWS, and can deal with talls and smalls in defense.
Very good mark. Strong. Kicks accurately whilst being tackled.

Unique. Valuable. Quality.

To those who don't rate him, where do you think he should be played? VFL?

I know we have a plethora of talls, some surplus to our needs, (Gorringe White Jaksch GlassiMac Rowe even Casboult Kerr) but some can play forward, and will.
Apart from the obvious McKay 204 and Curnow 194, there's Weiters at 195 and Marchbank 193 who have played KPF before.
Macreadie has and can played forward too.

Plowman is versatile enough to play midfield too.

I think some posters who find it difficult to find positions for all our good players in the first 22 just drop them.
Don't underrate our good players.
BB is building a team made up of very versatile multi positional players.


Laughable post, that's not the player i watch every week... :lol:

GWS gave him away for a reason (he was contracted)!!!!!!


Sure Colourman.

Plowman like many were excess.
Even Treloar wasn't really missed.
I think you believe Plowman is part of the Sumner Jaksch Lamb discards.
That's OK. You don't rate him. You laugh, I think you have NFI.
He's better than that. What do you see behind those colour glasses. Tell me. Curious.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:02 pm 
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Not quite on topic but Paul Connors was on Open Mike - worth a watch.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:03 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
I think plow is a solid defender. He may improve also. I still think he makes some pretty shocking errors. Good solid player, but think he'll be fighting for his spot of everyone is up and running. Just my opinion which because it differs to some others apparently means l have no @#$%&! idea. Sorry for not lining up with your obviously infallible opinion


I'm curious. Don't take it personal Cranium. Your viewpoint is important.
I explained myself. Tell me where I'm wrong with the profiling?
Mine is a collation of history vision and results.
Like Judd and every other player he has made mistakes, but a couple of mistakes and he's been pigeon holed.

You didn't say anything stupid like he should be in the magoos, he's hopeless or he is unreliable.
In fact I don't know what your history is with him.
I'm generalising. You've taken it personal.
OK, you rock. Are you happy now?

I like your response, it makes sense. I noticed you. You're important.
The rest ...just leave me out of that infallible shit. Lets stick to Football.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:18 pm 
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I had hopes for Sumner coming into this year. But he seems to have gone backwards. Wonder if he'll stay on the list?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:32 pm 
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I reckon the following are gone

Dylan Buckley
Kristian Jaksch
Liam Sumner
Ciaran Sheehan
Dennis Armfield
Levi Casboult

might get 3 trade ins and have 3 draft picks


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:46 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I reckon the following are gone

Dylan Buckley
Kristian Jaksch
Liam Sumner
Ciaran Sheehan
Dennis Armfield
Levi Casboult

I think you can add Gorringe & Palmer to that list.

Graham & White might hang on, simply because we can't delist too many at once. Give Rowe a one year deal.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:47 pm 
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Hope the mail on re-signing Rowe is wrong, are we going to try trade him for a 3rd rounder maybe? we really need to move him on now. We were two years too slow with Army, he's taking a list spot that should be a midfielders. Have more than enough key defenders now. He's not helping the young KP develop; he is hindering their development.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:26 pm 
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smithy wrote:
Hope the mail on re-signing Rowe is wrong, are we going to try trade him for a 3rd rounder maybe? we really need to move him on now. We were two years too slow with Army, he's taking a list spot that should be a midfielders. Have more than enough key defenders now. He's not helping the young KP develop; he is hindering their development.


Senior depth. He is not hindering at all. Can play multiple roles too.


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