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Opinion on the 2016 Draft
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Author:  Michael Jezz [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Opinion on the 2016 Draft
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?
SPS is not top 5 on 2016 form and my concern on him is he didnt improve and had injury concerns
SOS Picked Macreadie and SPS based on 2015 form which highlights our lack of a head recruiter
My bias is towards safe bets solid 200gamers at this stage of a rebuild hence Brodie and Drew.
The later picks look like the right risk profile.
We are going to need 2 big bodied mids minimum in the coming draft.
Please spare me the rationale of how curnow will move to midfield and Weitering forward that is all speculation and my big question to Sos would be
Why would you be trading for pickett and marchbank and then select SPS and Macreadie?
Author:  Cazzesman [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
Michael Jezz wrote:
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?
SPS is not top 5 on 2016 form and my concern on him is he didnt improve and had injury concerns
SOS Picked Macreadie and SPS based on 2015 form which highlights our lack of a head recruiter
My bias is towards safe bets solid 200gamers at this stage of a rebuild hence Brodie and Drew.
The later picks look like the right risk profile.
We are going to need 2 big bodied mids minimum in the coming draft.
Please spare me the rationale of how curnow will move to midfield and Weitering forward that is all speculation and my big question to Sos would be
Why would you be trading for pickett and marchbank and then select SPS and Macreadie?


Do you see the irony in that comment?

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  sstormin123 [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
He drafted well. The blues aren't in a position of strength, we need as much talent as possible and he has drafted solid choices at each pick.

Not to mention speed and skill are only available at the top end of the draft....so it's perfectly reasonable he went for SPS. He could end up the best player on our list.

I also wanted Brodie and Drew....but I'm an armchair expert and a large amount of actual draft experts passed on them after our picks too.

I'll back the opinion of the many full time recruiters around the league over mine watching a couple of games and YouTube highlights.
Author:  GWS [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
Cazzesman wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?
SPS is not top 5 on 2016 form and my concern on him is he didnt improve and had injury concerns
SOS Picked Macreadie and SPS based on 2015 form which highlights our lack of a head recruiter
My bias is towards safe bets solid 200gamers at this stage of a rebuild hence Brodie and Drew.
The later picks look like the right risk profile.
We are going to need 2 big bodied mids minimum in the coming draft.
Please spare me the rationale of how curnow will move to midfield and Weitering forward that is all speculation and my big question to Sos would be
Why would you be trading for pickett and marchbank and then select SPS and Macreadie?


Do you see the irony in that comment?

Regards Cazzesman


:lol:
Author:  Stefchook [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
I'm a SOS fan. And we've still got the rookie draft to come. But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast. Also surprised we picked up another 2 sub-180cm guys after SPS. Not knowing anything about Polson and Williamson, and being surprised by the selection of Fisher, meant I felt a little underwhelmed. But obviously we have to wait awhile and see how they go, before we can really judge the selections.

Pretty hard to go wrong with our 1st pick. Liked the MacReadie pick. Liked that we gave Kerr a go with our last pick. Quite like the 'profile' of Williamson.
Author:  GWS [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:09 pm ]
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Stefchook wrote:
But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast.


We did.

His name's Fyfe and he's running twelve months late.
Author:  bmaurizio [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
GWS wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast.


We did.

His name's Fyfe and he's running twelve months late.



Well said :clap: :clap: :clap:
Author:  cimm1979 [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
If we got any more solid citizens our list could be a branch of Rotary.

Glad we went for SPS, and Polson and Williamson have flair.
Author:  toddkurnski [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Opinion on the 2016 Draft
While I am not completely sold on SPS (only on the basis that his video highlights suggested his kicking didn't always hit the target) from the interviews with him and SOS there is evidence that along with skills, athleticism and footy IQ there is also commitment to self improvement and resilience in him. Which means at least he will try and get the best out of himself.

That's a long way from Bootsma and co.
Author:  Mickstar [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:24 pm ]
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The Kerr family are Carlton royalty..............so,ya gotta be happy to have a Royal on our list.Shit i hope he makes it.
Author:  Teddy Hopkins [ Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
Stefchook wrote:
I'm a SOS fan. And we've still got the rookie draft to come. But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast. Also surprised we picked up another 2 sub-180cm guys after SPS. Not knowing anything about Polson and Williamson, and being surprised by the selection of Fisher, meant I felt a little underwhelmed. But obviously we have to wait awhile and see how they go, before we can really judge the selections.

Pretty hard to go wrong with our 1st pick. Liked the MacReadie pick. Liked that we gave Kerr a go with our last pick. Quite like the 'profile' of Williamson.


I agree as an armchair expert but in SOS we trust. He is the professional.
Author:  BigBlueWave [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
I have really warmed to the SPS selection (originally thinking Brodie). I have to say he looks smooth and classy ... I hope he can get his hands on the ball.

Of the other selections ... I dunno ... never considered the ones SOS picked. I have watch the videos ... Fisher does look impressive ... Macreadie looks ok but why do we need another tall defender? Williamson is young and maybe SOS saw some real potential. I was really happy with getting Kerr way down the list (value). Polson??? ... I don't get.

On Macreadie maybe they are thinking Weitering will go forward?

Its going to be an exciting year.
Author:  Molly [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
I think SOS erred on the side of good ball use and pace. The exception is probably Fisher, whose disposal by hand sounds like it might somewhat make up for poorer foot skills, and whose lack of pace is hopefully tempered by footy smarts.

I'm with you Jezz in that I worry about the SPS pick, though that's because we have a terrible history with sliders (Lucas and Menzel among others). The same concern also applies to Macreadie.

I'm less concerned about Macreadie and SPS being a doubling of the type of footballers we'd secured in Marchbank and Pickett. I think AFL lists have more than one place for quick skilful onballers and quick versatile talls. Regarding Brodie, I'm not sure AFL lists have space for more than one Cripps-type player. I'd have thought the midfield would be too slow on run and spread?

I don't think it's terribly fair to discount that Macreadie allows Marchbank or Weitering to play forward, nor that Macreadie might show some talent there himself. I thought going into the draft we were still at least one KPF short, and I think Macreadie (if he's any good) offers us some good versatility there.

I'm comfortable with the four mid, two KPP mix, particularly with concerns over McKay's fitness and questions as to whether Curnow will play in midfield. On your original point, I do think Macreadie allows us (if he's any good) to safeguard against the former and provides flexibility to enable the latter. Of course, Kerr also offers some insurance for McKay and flexibility for Curnow.

I'm very pleased that Poulson and Williamson sound like fast and good ball users. I couldn't ask for much more at that stage of the draft.

Anyway, that's my view. From a list management perspective I absolutely get what SOS has done. From a can they play perspective I just have to back that SOS knows plenty more than I do from watching YouTube!

The main message for me is that this is now eleven players in two drafts. For a club that's spent most of the last fifteen years taking three or four players per draft, that's a massive increase in volume. Injuries permitting that means 2017 can hopefully be about the 2015 draftees and the 2016 trades playing senior footy consistently while the 2016 draftees develop in the Northern Blues and play cameos at the higher level when form demands it. If we grab another five or six draftees next year, we finally start to get that critical mass of young players building and bonding together. Fingers crossed.
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
And come season's end we lost the noose from the previous administration and have a real opening to either consolidate or recruit big. Jones / Thomas can retire off in to the sunset.

What a great opportunity for these 6. Really focus in the next couple of years and they can each make their mark.
Author:  Dk [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
-At pick 6 you hope SPS becomes a star
-At pick 27 you hope bare minimum Fisher becomes a solid best 22 player and if he becomes an A grader even better.
-Of the other 4, if minimum 2 make it as best 22 players I consider that a win.
-Jones and Kj are both entering the last year of their contracts and both probably gone end of next year unless they suddenly learn how to play footy in the next 12 months. Combine that with Rowe white and Casboult who are all over 27 and are stop gap depth players, getting Kerr and Macreadie is good list management as they will be able to provide backup hopefully long term. Imagine half way through 2020 when were pushing for finals and weitering does his knee, we have Macreadie who's been in the system for 3 years ready to come in and do a job. You need 30 Afl quality players on a list to win a flag so getting depth at key position is good. Combined that with 4 mids its a good balanced draft haul.
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
Err on the side of foot skills >>>>> err on the other side

The good teams have it in spades!

Must admit the vid don't show me a lot of that with Fisher but the others look clean.
Author:  deano35 [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
After the dust has settled you can only go on the opinions of those in the industry that study young players year in year out.
So people like Emma Quale, Brett Anderson , Cal Twomey and Shifter Sheehan are the guys and girl in the know.

They all reckon we have done very very well so that's all that matters to me.
In fact most rated Gold coast , Brisbane , Scum , Port and us as the top 5 to walk away happy with the players drafted.
SPS is all class.
Fisher is a ball magnet.
Mcreadie is a good mover and ball user. He may actually release Plowman into the midfiled.
Polson from highlights looks super quick and skillfull.
Williamson looks strong, quick and a great left footer.
Kerr is big and strong and a great kick for goal.
Author:  Cazzesman [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
From Gary Buckenara - in Adelaide Advertiser.

CARLTON

WHO THEY PICKED

6 Sam Petrevski-Seton (Claremont)

27 Zac Fisher (Perth)

47 Harrison Macreadie (Henty/GWS Academy)

59 Cameron Polson (Sandringham Dragons)

61 Tom Williamson (North Ballarat Rebels)

65 Pat Kerr (Oakleigh Chargers)

One of my favourites in the draft was Sam Petrevski-Seton and the Blues were lucky enough to pick him. Carlton was looking to build on the haul they got at last year’s national draft where they brought in better ball users and key position players. This year the Blues have picked more dynamic players with good kicking skills in Petrevski-Seton, who should end up being a very good AFL player, Zac Fisher has x-factor as a quick small forward and Tom Williamson can break games open. Harrison Macreadie, Cam Polson and Pat Kerr — who is so disciplined — are also very good picks to complement the draftees of this year and last. Petrevski-Seton will definitely play next year, Fisher has a light body but is capable of playing some games and Macreadie could also get some games as could Polson.

Bucky’s verdict: There have been some big and much-needed list changes at Carlton over the last two years and Stephen Silvagni and his team have done a very good job in picking players for the future, which is clearly what they’ve got their eye on in building a team of good decision-makers and elite ball users who have good speed.

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  Donstuie [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
The most disappointing thing overall about this draft (except for the cheats getting pick 1, and GWS not getting penalised until after) was no Tasmanian players drafted. Unfortunate sign of where the game is heading and you get the feeling those in charge couldn't care less.
Author:  cimm1979 [ Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion on the 2016 Draft
Donstuie wrote:
The most disappointing thing overall about this draft (except for the cheats getting pick 1, and GWS not getting penalised until after) was no Tasmanian players drafted. Unfortunate sign of where the game is heading and you get the feeling those in charge couldn't care less.


The club that is the AFL industry are doubling down on The Spews vision of AFL teams in wastelands and abandoning heartlands.

A tassie team now, or a third team in Perth (preferably in the northern corridor) would mean the previous admin got it wrong . Can't do that until it's so @#$%&! obvious that the territory is gone for good.
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