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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:54 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
To be frank I was amazed how many here were expecting the team to go up this year.

We're still the worst team in the comp who lucked out last year from better teams underachieving, banned, or taking us lightly. This may happen again in 2017 but we can't expect it. It's more likely we'll be at the arse end again (and no doubt SOS and Brodie are already planning how a 1-2 draft pick can become multiple top 5-10 picks).

We're on a long and winding road and I for one am at peace with this.


Agree fully with this. Those expecting us to rise up further than last year are nuts. We don't have enough coming through yet who will improve the side unless anyone thinks Jakesh boeky or Graham will make an impact.

The young ones like SOS, Charlie, SPS, McKay, marchbank, Pickett, plowman etc are where we are looking to, but they will be too inexperienced to take us anywhere up the ladder just yet.

I know we need some experienced heads in the team, but surely Daisy isn't an automatic selection no matter what metric for performance you use. Casboult too

The development and improvement (even if just in moments) of these guys is my indicator for success for 2017. If this doesn't occur, this season is a failure.

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Hopefully Casboult will kick 100, then we'll get pick 7



He would need 300 shots on goal..


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FWIW losing all the practise matches sits well with me.
I'll tip us to finish in the upper half of the bottom eight.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:47 pm 
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This is what I'm hope happens....... (dreaming)

We finish second last and get pick 2 in the draft

Kruezer to have his best year..... some club pays him ridiculous money and we get a first round compensation pick (pick 3)

The club approaches the AFL for a priority pick and we are granted a pick at the end of round 1

Gibbs has another stellar year and the Crows offer us two first round picks that we trade away for an early pick

Casboult kicks 50 goals and we trade him to Geelong for a first round pick (pick 14)

Hopefully we end up with picks 2,3,8, 14 and 20

Which we use on 5 mids

Dale Thomas retires
Simon White delisted
Buckley delisted


There must be some jousting sticks somewhere in there I'm guessing

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 expectations...
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
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Hopefully Casboult will kick 100, then we'll get pick 7



He would need 300 shots on goal..

Only 300? Wow he has come on then

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FWIW losing all the practise matches sits well with me.
I'll tip us to finish in the upper half of the bottom eight.

Which 4 or 5 teams can you see finishing below us?

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If Casboult kicks 50 goals then there's no way we're finishing 2nd last

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If Casboult kicks 50 goals then there's no way we're finishing 2nd last.


Not sure that's a scenario we really have to worry about. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 expectations...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:43 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
FWIW losing all the practise matches sits well with me.
I'll tip us to finish in the upper half of the bottom eight.


That's the worse scenario

We need to finish 2nd or 3rd last to guarantee an absolute gun. Finishing between 9 and 14 puts us in that pick 6 to 9 area like a Yarran all over again.


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trublu wrote:
This is what I'm hope happens....... (dreaming)

We finish second last and get pick 2 in the draft

Kruezer to have his best year..... some club pays him ridiculous money and we get a first round compensation pick (pick 3)

The club approaches the AFL for a priority pick and we are granted a pick at the end of round 1

Gibbs has another stellar year and the Crows offer us two first round picks that we trade away for an early pick

Casboult kicks 50 goals and we trade him to Geelong for a first round pick (pick 14)

Hopefully we end up with picks 2,3,8, 14 and 20

Which we use on 5 mids

Dale Thomas retires
Simon White delisted
Buckley delisted

Then you woke up.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:37 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
trublu wrote:
This is what I'm hope happens....... (dreaming)

We finish second last and get pick 2 in the draft

Kruezer to have his best year..... some club pays him ridiculous money and we get a first round compensation pick (pick 3)

The club approaches the AFL for a priority pick and we are granted a pick at the end of round 1

Gibbs has another stellar year and the Crows offer us two first round picks that we trade away for an early pick

Casboult kicks 50 goals and we trade him to Geelong for a first round pick (pick 14)

Hopefully we end up with picks 2,3,8, 14 and 20

Which we use on 5 mids

Dale Thomas retires
Simon White delisted
Buckley delisted

Then you woke up.



Yeah, I hate to be a doomsayer, and you can certainly hope for anything at all, but I think if Kruezer had his best year, Gibbs had a stellar year, and Casboult kicked 50, we'd definately be better than 2nd last on the ladder.

The AFL knocked back Kruezer being a first round compensation last time around, so I've got the feeling that even if he won All Australian this year, he would still be a 2nd round pick. That's the same group who gave no compensation for Waite, when he was our leading goal kicker. Not even a 4th rounder......still steaming over that.

For the club to get a priority pick, we'd have to somehow organise for all supporters to completely boycott the final game of the season. I mean, no-one go at all. Or if people went, they would be waving, "Carlton are shit" banners, on national tv, at the game. At the end of a winless season and a 200 point loss in round 22, they may give us a priority pick. Or dissolve the club for bringing the AFL into disrepute. After all, they gave Brisbane the priority pick in a year when they beat us. Still steaming over that too......

As for Gibbs, I think Adelaide would give a mid first round like pick 9+ but not under. They will probably dig their heels in even deeper out of spite, and shame of the botched attempt last time around, just to prove to their supporters that we would eventually cave in. Albeit a year later.

I can't imagine a scenario this year where Casboult would be worth any first rounder to anyone under any circumstances. He is a role player and I love his endeavour, and commitment. But there is no way his image will change now. And that would affect his currency. So much so, IMO that he wouldn't be worth trading, but would be worth keeping in the hope he can maintain 50 goal years in the future, and we will finally get some return on the time put into him.

I do think you'll get your delistings though, with some miracle year required from Buckley to stay on the list. Although, I could see an outcome where Daisy signs a new 1 year contract, because of his leadership around the club with all the kids on the list, but it would be a real low offer with some pathway into some post footy pathway. Either way, we end up with loads of salary cap space.

You know my posts are normally a little more uplifting, but its still early and I've only had 1 coffee......

I still don't think we'll finish bottom four out of my stubbornness to accept that what we dished up in the JLT is our standard for the year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 expectations...
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:57 pm 
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A reasonably fair, if a little pessimistic, prediction of what lies ahead.
http://footyprophet.com/2017-crystal-ball-carlton/


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:20 pm 
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snakehips wrote:
A reasonably fair, if a little pessimistic, prediction of what lies ahead.
http://footyprophet.com/2017-crystal-ball-carlton/


Yes, a little pessimistic in terms of ladder position but pretty fair assessment overall.
Like the take on Plowman.
And I am hoping that Pickett proves better than described ("...won't add much in the long term").

Otherwise, it is correct that we need to:
- work out who can/can't play
- build on the game plan from last year
- see some signs from the youngsters
- see consistently strong, resilient attitude
- win the games we should; pinch a couple of those we shouldn't; be competitive in all (not lose any matches by 10+goals...)
- get as many high draft picks as we can


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 expectations...
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Bottom 2 I think.

Hope I'm wrong. Teams can surprise when their young players get up and running, if we see some real improvement from our young players such as Weitering, Cripps, Charlie, SOS, McKay, Cunningham, Pickett, Marchbank and Bryne slots back in we may do better.

Would love to see us turn it on but it will take some time.

We may well get the spoon, the competition is just too strong and rebuilding takes time...

But the green shoots are nice to watch grow!

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I hope Sumner and Plowman can take an extra little step too...

We've shown a lot of faith in Sheehan. Can he make it back...

They're all the question marks...

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Agree re Lachie Plowman. Made the odd mistake last year but by and large thought he was a great find for us...

Hopefully Charlie can excite too..,

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Matthew Lloyd says Carlton will struggle to win games in 2017
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I DON’T want to be so glass half-empty just six days out from Carlton’s season-opener against Richmond at the MCG, but sugar-coating doesn’t help anyone.

When you look at Carlton’s list and the form we have seen from the Blues in the JLT series, I would be really concerned if I was AFL boss Gillon McLachlan at just how far this once great club has fallen.

And how ugly the scoreboard may become for the Blues on a regular basis in 2017.

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Fallen? It's a rebuild. Fallen will be Hawthorn, Geelong or the Fremantle of last year.

I also don't think we will be smashed like he thinks. When it comes to competitive games, it's a different story.


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Effes wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/matthew-lloyd-says-carlton-will-struggle-to-win-games-in-2017/news-story/de867a327e2e934444e51d69888fbe2b

Matthew Lloyd says Carlton will struggle to win games in 2017
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I DON’T want to be so glass half-empty just six days out from Carlton’s season-opener against Richmond at the MCG, but sugar-coating doesn’t help anyone.

When you look at Carlton’s list and the form we have seen from the Blues in the JLT series, I would be really concerned if I was AFL boss Gillon McLachlan at just how far this once great club has fallen.

And how ugly the scoreboard may become for the Blues on a regular basis in 2017.




He talks about being glass half full but the problem with Monga Lloyd he's got half a brain.

Yes he's right to criticise our form, but he hasn't a clue about our list.

Flower of cretin.

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