No team with a worse fwd line. No team with slower leg speed. So we've done well really
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| Author: | Rexy [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
outclassed |
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| Author: | tommi [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
I'm with Rexy ^^^^.....! kindest regards tommi |
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| Author: | Rexy [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
MVP - viewtopic.php?f=21&t=35413 |
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| Author: | mjs [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Couple of gratuitous comments in the bleeding' obvious category Seems to me that Levi's kicking has actually improved this year, but he doesn't offer much at ground level. Really in two minds about him. Clean hands and disposal efficiency are hurting. Good build-ups that astray too often at the last critical moment Why is it that when we get a clear tap in the ruck, it more often than not goes straight down the throat of an opposition player. Seems to me we are still tentative going into attack too often and tend to opt for the safety of going backwards too much. Not enough people working hard forward of the ball. If we go forward, we have a certain probability of losing possession, for which the consequence may or may not be large. But when we go backwards, we still have a perhaps lower probability of losing the ball BUT the consequence is more often fatal. Got to play the percentages which for me means going backwards less often that we do at present . Don't get me started on the number of times we do reasonably good things, just to blaze away into an empty forward line straight into an opponents arms. |
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| Author: | MIL [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
No team with a worse fwd line. No team with slower leg speed. So we've done well really
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| Author: | MIL [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
mjs wrote: Couple of gratuitous comments in the bleeding' obvious category Seems to me that Levi's kicking has actually improved this year, but he doesn't offer much at ground level. Really in two minds about him. Clean hands and disposal efficiency are hurting. Good build-ups that astray too often at the last critical moment Why is it that when we get a clear tap in the ruck, it more often than not goes straight down the throat of an opposition player. Seems to me we are still tentative going into attack too often and tend to opt for the safety of going backwards too much. Not enough people working hard forward of the ball. If we go forward, we have a certain probability of losing possession, for which the consequence may or may not be large. But when we go backwards, we still have a perhaps lower probability of losing the ball BUT the consequence is more often fatal. Got to play the percentages which for me means going backwards less often that we do at present . Don't get me started on the number of times we do reasonably good things, just to blaze away into an empty forward line straight into an opponents arms. We flood back defensively but don't have the runners to carry the ball when we get it therefore must hit every target and often we just bomb fwd as we can't go backwards all day. |
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| Author: | Hornet [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Forward structure is a mess atm First half we went the bomb... second half we overcompensated trying to play an open 50 which left us aimless on too many occasions. |
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| Author: | Stefchook [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Pros: Cripps. Plowman and Rowe. Armfield's 1st half. Glimpses from Lamb, Sumner and Phillips. Feel a bit sorry for Sumner and how much defensive running he has to do to cover our forwards who won't or can't run. SOJ. Everitt's been horrible recently. Was a little better today. Cons: Really struggle on the bigger grounds with our lack of runners. Feels like a lot of work is being left to a few at the moment. Reckon there might be some more blow outs coming against good opposition. I'm glad we nursed Walker to 200, and I know there's not a lot available at VFL level, but do we have to keep playing him? Kerridge's 1st half. |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
All year when we've played two rucks and one key forward we've barely kicked a goal. Send the defence to a key forward who was a 3rd round rookie pick and that's it. Be no help from the rucks resting forward. Easy work. Once we picked a 2nd one, even if it was Jones, we suddenly started winning games, went 6 from 7, and kicking goals as it spread the defence hence created more space. Not only that both key forwards were contributors and the smaller blokes come into the game. Now we are back with the structure of the first 4 games the results are the same. Funny that. Pisssed off our match committee are so dumb. |
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| Author: | The_Cranium [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes |
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| Author: | bax [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Hope we've finally worked out that we can't play two ruckman, surely the experiment is over. Is there another club that plays two pure ruckman, I can't think of any? |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
The_Cranium wrote: what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious. |
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| Author: | blues8182 [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Committed suicide in the last 5 mins of the second qtr with poor ball handling, use and decision making, turned their toes up in the second half |
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| Author: | Rexy [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
jim wrote: The_Cranium wrote: what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious. I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again) |
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| Author: | sandramcd67 [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
jim wrote: The_Cranium wrote: what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious. Been saying the obvious for 4 weeks!!! we cant have the 2 ruckman and at this stage phillips does more around the ground |
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| Author: | Blues87 [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
The_Cranium wrote: what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes Totally agree. Watching Jacobs, Betts and Talia run around today can't help but make you sad as a Carlton supporter. |
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| Author: | Mosquito Fleet [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
list needs a major rebuild like other parts of the club |
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| Author: | Blue Sombrero [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Didn't see it or hear it. My question is, 'How can an AFL team kick 1-4 in a half of football?' I posted in the Collingwood thread my thought pn the game plan. Some of my thought were refected above. Someone needs to ask Bolts the above question at the presser. |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
The_Cranium wrote: Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes If this was our ONLY bad decision in the draft over the past 6 years we'd be top 4 side by now. |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R16: Carlton vs Adelaide (Post Match discussion) |
Rexy wrote: jim wrote: The_Cranium wrote: what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility. The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again. Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious. I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again) Kreuzer is terrific when he plays as the only ruckman, as we've seen this year, and Casboult is way better when he gets a run on the ball. Kreuzer's best is near always when he's either the only ruckman or, by contrast, his worst when he shares. We've seen that a million times now. If you drop a ruckman then Casboult has to play to support the one ruckman anyway. Once Casboult gets his hands on the ball marking around the ground when rucking he's a way better player. Think the first Collingwood game. Kreuzer was terrific, Casboult took 11 marks. 7 contested and kicked 3 goals. It was the same last year too, one of the few things that went any good. Casboult, or anyone else, has zero chance of playing well when he's the only key forward with no support from the rucks, Everitt or Walker. Easy work for the defence. Hence we can't kick a goal to save ourselves, unless Dennis is bombing them from outside 50. Need to go back to when we were winning games. I'd go with Kreuzer, with ruck support from Casboult and Jaksch in as the other key forward. Eventually McKay, C.Curnow and Jaksch may take over the key position roles but right now we have to make the best of Levi. |
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