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| Author: | bluedog [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
If today's match wasn't a reality check, I reckon this one will be. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
No footy before then to offer some further selection insight, but for mine: Out: White, Walker In: Boekhorst, Silvagni Bugger it, give the kid a go if Walker is setting the standard for forward play. Jaksch will get Gorringe's spot if he has another poor game, but he might find himself in the following week if SOS's endurance base doesn't hold up. I thought 75% game time would be the minimum for him, but we had a few blokes dip below 70% today, so if someone's only going to put in for 70 or 80 minutes of football, I'd take his brand of football before most. |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
jimmae wrote: No footy before then to offer some further selection insight, but for mine: Out: White, Walker In: Boekhorst, Silvagni Bugger it, give the kid a go if Walker is setting the standard for forward play. I'd suggest Boekhorst is 0% chance of selection after 4 weeks off and not much form beforehand. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Army the Wonderkid wrote: I'd suggest Boekhorst is 0% chance of selection after 4 weeks off and not much form beforehand. I don't really see a better option to add pace to our midfield play? Keep in mind it's a wrist injury, and he came back pretty quickly from ankle and hamstring issues. |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
In: Jaksch, SOSOS, Graham Out: Gorringe, Everitt/Walker, White |
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| Author: | redback [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Army the Wonderkid wrote: jimmae wrote: No footy before then to offer some further selection insight, but for mine: Out: White, Walker In: Boekhorst, Silvagni Bugger it, give the kid a go if Walker is setting the standard for forward play. I'd suggest Boekhorst is 0% chance of selection after 4 weeks off and not much form beforehand. thanks for the logic army |
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| Author: | Humpers [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Jaksch in for Gorringe. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Jimmae wants to drop White. I'm shocked to be reading that. |
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Humpers wrote: Jaksch in for Gorringe. Given G.Orange got in the team by default, I'm surprised how long we persevered with him for. |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Out: Gorringe, Everitt, White, Laziness In: Phillips, Silvagni, Jaksch, Effort |
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| Author: | kennyhunter [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Least it is justified this week. Unless he survives because the MC identifies a match-up. But was horrid today. |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Out: Everitt, White, Gorringe (not a ruckman) In: Murphy or Graham, Phillips, Jaksch Tuohy Rowe Plowman Byrne Weitering Docherty Gibbs Cripps Simpson Kerridge Casboult Walker Phillips Jaksch Sumner Kruezer Curnow Murphy Wright Thomas Armfield Lamb |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
kennyhunter wrote: Least it is justified this week. Unless he survives because the MC identifies a match-up. But was horrid today. Like I've been saying the whole time, he creates a structural weakness that well-structured teams exploit. I'd rather be getting a kid in that might turn into something of a weapon even if it puts a small dent in our performance against sides White matches up favourably to. For example, would DVR or Gowers instead of White have actually made a difference to the results? They could have slot straight into that back seven. |
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| Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
OUT: Gorringe Everitt Walker IN: Phillips Jacksh Whiley SOJ expectations need to be tempered. Still looks like he'll be bashed at AFL level. Patience all!!! Have a weird feeling about this one (that we might cause a huge upset) |
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| Author: | Mots87 [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
I would keep Walks in before White. Agree with the others though. |
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| Author: | ryan2000 [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
jimmae wrote: No footy before then to offer some further selection insight, but for mine: Out: White, Walker In: Boekhorst, Silvagni Bugger it, give the kid a go if Walker is setting the standard for forward play. Jaksch will get Gorringe's spot if he has another poor game, but he might find himself in the following week if SOS's endurance base doesn't hold up. I thought 75% game time would be the minimum for him, but we had a few blokes dip below 70% today, so if someone's only going to put in for 70 or 80 minutes of football, I'd take his brand of football before most. No Way............. Walker kicked 3 goals. I can't remember the last time a player was dropped for kicking 3 goals. Aggree that Jaksch should be given a run sooner rather than later. Save Silvagni for Round 20 (Home game @ the G) and play him for the rest of the year. All teams that are below us (Lions, Saints, Essendon* and Melbourne). |
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| Author: | Blue4ever [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
Out, Everitt, White and Gorringe In, Jaksch, Phillips and pace be it either Buckley or Boekhurst White should only get a game when there is a good match up for him (which is not often) today there was no ideal match up so he played forward, there are better options than White playing forward - Jones, SOS or Jaksch. So obvious we were too slow the Saints had way too much pace. no doubt we lack pace in the midfield, our only options are Murphy, DVR, Boekhurst, Buckley and Cunningham. |
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| Author: | Clayman [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
SurreyBlue wrote: Out: Everitt, White, Gorringe (not a ruckman) In: Murphy or Graham, Phillips, Jaksch Tuohy Rowe Plowman Byrne Weitering Docherty Gibbs Cripps Simpson Kerridge Casboult Walker Phillips Jaksch Sumner Kruezer Curnow Murphy Wright Thomas Armfield Lamb We haven't won a game with two ruckmen all year have we? Since we had 1 ruckmen and a couple of pinch hitters we have won 6 from 8. Coincidence? |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
ryan2000 wrote: No Way............. Walker kicked 3 goals. I can't remember the last time a player was dropped for kicking 3 goals. I can't either, but I can't remember us persisting with someone so horribly out of form since McKernan, and we haven't exactly gained much more than those 3 goals out of it. Clayman wrote: We haven't won a game with two ruckmen all year have we? Since we had 1 ruckmen and a couple of pinch hitters we have won 6 from 8. Coincidence? Phillips was in the team for the Freo and Essendon* wins, but 4 from 6 still makes a very strong case for it, as does the fact that there's been on average 45 more minutes available on the bench for the 20 players not in a rucking role without Phillips in the team. |
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| Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R14: GWS Giants v Carlton (pre-match discussion) |
jimmae wrote: ryan2000 wrote: No Way............. Walker kicked 3 goals. I can't remember the last time a player was dropped for kicking 3 goals. I can't either, but I can't remember us persisting with someone so horribly out of form since McKernan, and we haven't exactly gained much more than those 3 goals out of it. Clayman wrote: We haven't won a game with two ruckmen all year have we? Since we had 1 ruckmen and a couple of pinch hitters we have won 6 from 8. Coincidence? Phillips was in the team for the Freo and Essendon** wins, but 4 from 6 still makes a very strong case for it, as does the fact that there's been on average 45 more minutes available on the bench for the 20 players not in a rucking role without Phillips in the team. Problem is that Kruezer is next to useless as a fwd option!!! It restricts our flexibility In an ideal world, MK and AP should ruck 40% each and LC the other 20%, but all three should be seen as targets I50, working in tandem with whoever the other KPF is at the time |
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