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watched Hamill interview last night -was still very coy about reasons he left carlton as usual suggested Elliott was part of it - which he probably was to a certain degree but didn't have an answer when Sheehan asked him about double the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offered by Aints to go there :banghead:

- didn't want to discuss process saying he was overseas really tried to blame the viper Allison his manager - a good player who was seduced by the money and in the end was to his detriment

In any case didn't in the end play as many finals at Aints as he did at Carlton so his loss - enduring memory of Hamill after being told Blight was sacked him sitting outside at training almost balling his eyes out realising the mistake he had made

Still have no understanding as to why there's so much animosity towards Hamill.

He got offered twice as much to change teams and he did.

Happens all the time.

I loved him at Carlton and he'd just had a breakout year but this league hasn't been built on "player loyalty" for nearly 50 years.

Why is Hamill so special out of all the players who have changed clubs over that time?

The reason GWS is that he has never admitted that he went for the dollars but won't still 15 years later admit it
Wouldn't even admit it to Sheehan the other night 15 years later

Keeps making excuses for leaving it was what Elliott said at the best and fairest please if every Carlton player took offence at what Elliott said during that time we wouldn't have had a team

Even David Parkin who hates Elliott says the only reason he left was money and that Elliott wasn't the cause

Just be honest if you go for the dough ADMIT IT as you say everyone else does or did

Hope that clarifies for you. It's a bit like Carlton supporters don't like Grigg because he was duplicitous and many years before and still hamill isn't being honest but is duplicitous

The reason why GWS is he keeps blaming the club for leaving - by extension eliott as president was the club and it was complete garbage - the guy was going to a rabble of a club to which he finally admitted the other night and the only reason he would have done that was for the money -Elliott I don't like AT ALL but a bit rich for Hamill to say Elliott was the reason he left when he reckons Elliott was the sole reason he played 99 GF 12 months previous

Don't necessarily agree that players have never said that they haven't left for money scully said that the money was too good to refuse -ablett admitted the money was too good to refuse - going back in time both moore and templeton admitted that they left their clubs to go to Melbourne because of the money and Melbourne was also a rabble at the time -even Tom Boyd effectively admitted it when he left GWS the year before last

Hamill 15 years later wont admit it - Even those guys who don't at the time agree it was for the money admit it 15 years later

The guy is duplicitous and continues deception today

Author:	The_Wookie [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:42 am ]
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With Aaron Hamills appearance last night, I felt it was time to have a complete list of Carlton appearances on Open Mike Chris Judd (2009) Greg Williams (extended edition - 2011) Stephen Kernahan (2012) David Parkin (2012) Denis Pagan (2012) Stephen Silvagni (2012) Robert Walls (2012) Corey McKernan (2013) Wayne Johnstone (2013) Mark Mclure (2013) David Rhys Jones (2013) John Elliot (2015) Jordan Bannister - (2015) Ken Sheldon (2016) Aaron Hamill (2016) BONUS Tony Liberatore talks Carlton Tanking Wayne Tredrea talks wanting to come to Carlton

Author:	The_Wookie [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:43 am ]
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For tapatalk users Chris Judd (2009) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g7QiNV8AiQ Greg Williams (extended edition - 2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFB2D9L5eic Stephen Kernahan (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZklMG8rKKjI David Parkin (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF9ZuIq1oho Denis Pagan (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJ0mzhVoho Stephen Silvagni (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53VQWeHvBQ Robert Walls (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osvQYcL2Vu4 Corey McKernan (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkKNnnpcLs0 Wayne Johnstone (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ZEJD8-9Xs Mark Mclure (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2uaCMN35Q David Rhys Jones (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-J92IFJcyg John Elliot (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JAjAtvfx5o Jordan Bannister - (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7rEUZABhMU Ken Sheldon (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRKDi3Iftw Aaron Hamill (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvmcRuXT1KM BONUS Tony Liberatore talks Carlton Tanking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq3ntOJxNwU Wayne Tredrea talks wanting to come to Carlton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp4pFAkiHw

Author:	frank dardew [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:19 am ]
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watched Hamill interview last night -was still very coy about reasons he left carlton as usual suggested Elliott was part of it - which he probably was to a certain degree but didn't have an answer when Sheehan asked him about double the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offered by Aints to go there - didn't want to discuss process saying he was overseas really tried to blame the viper Allison his manager - a good player who was seduced by the money and in the end was to his detriment In any case didn't in the end play as many finals at Aints as he did at Carlton so his loss - enduring memory of Hamill after being told Blight was sacked him sitting outside at training almost balling his eyes out realising the mistake he had made

Author:	Sin City [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:30 am ]
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Cool

Author:	camel [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:58 pm ]
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Great stuff Wookie!

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Author:	Blues87 [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:10 am ]
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Gee, I wonder if there was any consideration for our best and fairest's opinion when we sacked the coach and brought in his nemesis in 2002. Poor Corey.

Author:	chelodina [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:52 am ]
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frank dardew wrote: watched Hamill interview last night -was still very coy about reasons he left carlton as usual suggested Elliott was part of it - which he probably was to a certain degree but didn't have an answer when Sheehan asked him about double the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offered by Aints to go there - didn't want to discuss process saying he was overseas really tried to blame the viper Allison his manager - a good player who was seduced by the money and in the end was to his detriment In any case didn't in the end play as many finals at Aints as he did at Carlton so his loss - enduring memory of Hamill after being told Blight was sacked him sitting outside at training almost balling his eyes out realising the mistake he had made Carlton would have been such a wonderful place at after 2000.... He probably made the best decision. You could tell in that interview that he was very sincere about his time at Carlton. I held a grudge at the time, but that professionalism had talked about at Carlton compared to St Kilda probably disappeared within a year of him leaving. Sent from my F1f using Tapatalk

Author:	The 19 tram [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:10 am ]
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Author:	Mark J [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:57 pm ]
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Just watched Dom's interview again. Just reaffirms his standing as one of our top 5 of all time.....imo. The segment about his son is heartbreaking. Didn't realise he wasn't in the Afl H of F. Hopefully his is inducted one day

Author:	GWS [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:44 pm ]
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Still have no understanding as to why there's so much animosity towards Hamill. He got offered twice as much to change teams and he did. Happens all the time. I loved him at Carlton and he'd just had a breakout year but this league hasn't been built on "player loyalty" for nearly 50 years. Why is Hamill so special out of all the players who have changed clubs over that time?

Author:	frank dardew [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:32 pm ]
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The reason GWS is that he has never admitted that he went for the dollars but won't still 15 years later admit it Wouldn't even admit it to Sheehan the other night 15 years later Keeps making excuses for leaving it was what Elliott said at the best and fairest please if every Carlton player took offence at what Elliott said during that time we wouldn't have had a team Even David Parkin who hates Elliott says the only reason he left was money and that Elliott wasn't the cause Just be honest if you go for the dough ADMIT IT as you say everyone else does or did Hope that clarifies for you. It's a bit like Carlton supporters don't like Grigg because he was duplicitous and many years before and still hamill isn't being honest but is duplicitous

Author:	The_Cranium [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:44 pm ]
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GWS wrote: Still have no understanding as to why there's so much animosity towards Hamill. He got offered twice as much to change teams and he did. Happens all the time. I loved him at Carlton and he'd just had a breakout year but this league hasn't been built on "player loyalty" for nearly 50 years. Why is Hamill so special out of all the players who have changed clubs over that time? My thoughts have always been that we didn't lose players, we got rid of players. The slap in the face that Hamill chose to leave Carlton was a dent to the carlton pride and psyche. Then when it all turned to shit 2002 and beyond, he became part of the reason it all turned to shit. Still one of the funniest things I've seen at the footy was at PP playing the Saints in 2001 and belting them and seeing someone hanging over the fence at the Saints race holding out a $20 note for Hamill as he trudged off the ground

Author:	GWS [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:48 pm ]
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frank dardew wrote: The reason GWS is that he has never admitted that he went for the dollars but won't still 15 years later admit it Wouldn't even admit it to Sheehan the other night 15 years later Keeps making excuses for leaving it was what Elliott said at the best and fairest please if every Carlton player took offence at what Elliott said during that time we wouldn't have had a team Even David Parkin who hates Elliott says the only reason he left was money and that Elliott wasn't the cause Just be honest if you go for the dough ADMIT IT as you say everyone else does or did Hope that clarifies for you. It's a bit like Carlton supporters don't like Grigg because he was duplicitous and many years before and still hamill isn't being honest but is duplicitous But Frank why should he have to expose every piece of his rationale for why he chose what he chose? No player in the history of the league has ever publicly said "Yes, I'm moving for the money." Buddy moved to get out of the Melbourne bubble. Abblett wanted to "start afresh". Judd wanted to "come home". When did anyone move clubs and say they did it for the cash? Why should Hamill be held to a standard that doesn't exist for anyone else?

Author:	camel [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:45 pm ]
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I actually felt much better about Hamill leaving after that interview. He spoke very highly about Carlton and came across to me as genuine when talking about the Blues.

Author:	kingkerna [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:30 am ]
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I know someone who worked closely with him outside of football. There were three reasons he left..... Money Money And more money. Now that's fine, but he seriously overrated himself. That's what infuriated me, we weren't underpaying him, he just found morons that would give him more.

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Author:	illyria [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:47 am ]
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I thought his interview with Caroline Wilson was great too. https://youtu.be/WL4PK-ZMkEo

Author:	frank dardew [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:50 am ]
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The reason why GWS is he keeps blaming the club for leaving - by extension eliott as president was the club and it was complete garbage - the guy was going to a rabble of a club to which he finally admitted the other night and the only reason he would have done that was for the money -Elliott I don't like AT ALL but a bit rich for Hamill to say Elliott was the reason he left when he reckons Elliott was the sole reason he played 99 GF 12 months previous Don't necessarily agree that players have never said that they haven't left for money scully said that the money was too good to refuse -ablett admitted the money was too good to refuse - going back in time both moore and templeton admitted that they left their clubs to go to Melbourne because of the money and Melbourne was also a rabble at the time -even Tom Boyd effectively admitted it when he left GWS the year before last Hamill 15 years later wont admit it - Even those guys who don't at the time agree it was for the money admit it 15 years later The guy is duplicitous and continues deception today

Author:	TomAlvin'sWig [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:11 am ]
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My take on it at the time was that Elliott screwed up by arrogantly saying no one leaves Carlton and then goaded Hamill. I got the impression that if Elliott stepped down from his high horse and offered a little more he would have stayed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Author:	frank dardew [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:31 am ]
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Elliot was a shocking no doubt but how many people/players do you think he did that to - surely not a reason to leave and others didn't - he did it to SOS at one stage saying during contractual negotiations he could go to Richmond and we would ask for Richo in the trade - did SOS or his manager worry about that - just laughed it off -no big deal

Author:	GWS [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:32 am ]
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frank dardew wrote: The reason why GWS is he keeps blaming the club for leaving - by extension eliott as president was the club and it was complete garbage - the guy was going to a rabble of a club to which he finally admitted the other night and the only reason he would have done that was for the money -Elliott I don't like AT ALL but a bit rich for Hamill to say Elliott was the reason he left when he reckons Elliott was the sole reason he played 99 GF 12 months previous Don't necessarily agree that players have never said that they haven't left for money scully said that the money was too good to refuse -ablett admitted the money was too good to refuse - going back in time both moore and templeton admitted that they left their clubs to go to Melbourne because of the money and Melbourne was also a rabble at the time -even Tom Boyd effectively admitted it when he left GWS the year before last Hamill 15 years later wont admit it - Even those guys who don't at the time agree it was for the money admit it 15 years later The guy is duplicitous and continues deception today I reckon you're being pretty black and white on this for a guy who works in the grey areas Frank. I don't think decisions like that are easy to make and whether or not Hamill's were made for the "right" or "wrong" reasons I don't reckon it would have been easy and I reckon the wisdom or otherwise of the decision will nag at him for a long time. You can call him duplicitous but maybe there are a number of reasons he left and some of them he's not able to acknowledge even to himself.