Even if the club was in a strong financial position I'm not sure how putting $50million into renovating a suburban ground with access/transport issues would be the wisest investment we could make.

I don't buy that leaving Princes Park is an AFL conspiracy to bury us either. Collingwood seem to be getting by without Vic Park, ditto for the Tiges and Punt Road.

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Valid point re the Tigers, they moved miles away from their home base and it was quite recent also

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Afl wanted control over broadcast rights revenues hence the ground rationalization program...

Collingwood are doing fine as they got in 1st with 11 mcg home at the mcg

We got the losers prize by being forced to crapihad...err etihad

Trigg told the 2015 agm that carlton gets 45c for every $1 of members money spent at crapihad...err etihad

You do the maths if we had control of princes park.

Talk is geelong gets $600,000 per home game at kardinia park...

Carlton could use the ground for A league matches over the summer..

No thank you...

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Which A league matches? Victory are happy splitting games between aami and Etihad, and city are full time at aami. Aami is the best viewing stadium in Melbourne, why would either side entertain a change?

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Interesting issue...when the afl buys etihad...A league will run away from etihad...yes aami is a great stadium...

Just about everything you've written here is not supported by the evidence or historical fact.

Waverly was sold in its entirety to Mirvac (and funds from which were distributed to ALL AFL clubs over the next 6 years). Mirvac were unable to demolish the oval and heritage listed parts of Waverly and needed a tenant, so Mirvac - and not the AFL who had no ability to do a deal on land they didnt own anymore - did a straight commercial deal with Hawthorn.

As for Glenferrie, the Oval itself was never Hawthorns to sell, they did sell the social club across the road for 2.5 million - moneys to which the AFL is not now, nor has it ever been entitled to. The league does not get a cut of club assets, and never has been entitled to them.

You dont describe the Hawthorn situation in Tasmania any better either. Never mind that the Tasmanian Governemnt ruled out the AFLs plan and stated they would only deal with Hawthorn, and never mind that Hawthorn stuck around after every else had bolted of their own accord or anything. Its all obviously an evil conspiracy regardless of the evidence.

Carlton allowed itself to be bullied by the AFL, and mislead by Ian Collins' vested interests. Hawthorns fortunes have nothing to do with our lack, most of that is the fault of the club and consecutive incompetent boards.

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No.kennett got a deal with the Tasmanian Government rolling in cash for hawthorn. ..

No shit. Thats not in dispute. What is in dispute is that is part of an AFL-Hawthorn conspiracy to make hawthorn rich or some crap.

After the AFL announced its one Tasmanian team plan, the Tasmanian Government said it wasnt interested in the AFLs one team plan unless it was Hawthorn and was only wanting to negotiate with Hawthorn. At which point the league didnt have a lot of choice, accept the deal or abandon Tasmania. Not to mention that these deals were only available after St Kilda walked away from Tasmania after feeling that playing games in Melbourne was more important than the money. Its notable that Norths original deal at Bellerive had no Government support only council, TCA and local businesses in Hobart that put in.

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Would love to see it renovated (but keeping it's ageing historic appeal) to a 35K stadium.

Teams like Melbourne, North, Bulldogs etc etc would be perfect to play there Vs interstate teams like Freo etc.... They would make so much more in gate reciepts then they ever would at Docklands.

Probably won't happen though.


With that said, I do think we are in desperate need for another AFL stadium in the vacinity of 35K.

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The AFL will want summer tenants and wont be driving off soccer (or cricket) in a hurry. Summer tenants are money in the bank for the league. During the footy season, the clubs want their match returns, during the offseason thats not going to be the case., and it becomes general league revenue.

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Leave the afl, merge with Northern Blues and join the vfl. I'm sick of the afl and their makey uppy shit.

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I'd be positioning it as an alternate venue to the Showgrounds for small-to-mid scale events, rather than trying to secure A-league fixtures.

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Hathorn want to be the most successful club. .passing Collingwood carlton Essendon* ...afl commission have hawthorn people .langford..hawthorn are in the afl administration and just secured hawthorns president newbold. .onto the afl commission. ..yes...its about influence and power...

Actually thats not true. Ground rationalisation was forced upon the league by the Cain Government and the VFL who no longer wanted to lay out for ground improvements to multiple stadiums that were in poor shape, and the VFL in particular wanted more people to come to games. (This is referenced in both Football Limited by Gary Linnel, and The Phoenix Rises by Ross Oakley.)

The VFL/AFL was ALWAYS of the opinion it had control over the broadcast rights. It wasnt until 1998 and 2000 that both the MCC and Carlton felt that the grounds owner/operators should be entitled to a share in the broadcast rights to events. This is first referenced in the AFLs 1998 Annual report where the league calls the MCC decision to seek part of the rights as absurd and points out that it hadnt been an issue for the previous forty years (pg 55). The Carlton matter is referenced in the AFLs reports for 2000, when the league stepped in after Carlton locked Channel 7 out of Princes Park.(pg 27)

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Of course...whether the A league would agree to afl financial terms will be the issue...I doubt it

I dont think the league will try to screw them financially, its not in the leagues interests to do so. Whether the aleague will want to play at an AFL controlled stadium is another question.

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If it is redeveloped, it ll most likely be as a Community venue, and used for non AFL games (apart from the occasional Pre Season game),
Very unlikely pipe dream stuff would be a boutique stadium of 25-30 K capacity for our games against Freo, Suns, Giants.

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Im afraid it is true and its a fascinating issue..

Whilst I have not read the books you have referred to and I am aware of them...demitriou and fitzy arrived well.after ross oakley... were driving clubs to etihad.

The legal position stems from a 1937 high court case victoria park case ...just that the law was not commercially exploited...if you control the ground you can control the broadcast rights

Elliott in his wisdom at the time wanted to broadcast carlton games from princes park using the internet which the afl broadcast rights contracts may have been silent at the time..

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