A forward line of Liam Jones and Josh Walker is bound to strike fear in the hearts of our opponents....
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:44 pm ] |
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One day into trade period so wil wait to see the results at the end but Hendo on the way out and possibly casboult and bell gone apart from Everett the other 3 were in our top 4 goal kickers in a side that can't kick many goals really makes you wonder what the composition of our forward line will be in 2016 Couldn't conceive a worse or less talented forward line in 2016 than in 2015 but at this stage seems to be a scorched earth policy as far as our forward line goes ie a total rebuild |
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| Author: | aboynamedsue [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:49 pm ] |
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A forward line of Liam Jones and Josh Walker is bound to strike fear in the hearts of our opponents....
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| Author: | emtwenty [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:52 pm ] |
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This isn't new. We've lost Eddie, Jeffy, Waite etc in the past few years. This is just a continuation. Soon we'll have players deliberately not kicking goals because they know it means they'll be traded. The players who continue to kick goals - well they clearly want to be traded. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:58 pm ] |
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Understand that Em just could not conceive that we could possibly have a less talented forward line in 2016 than in 2015 - frightening |
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| Author: | Megaman [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:18 pm ] |
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Plonk the Beast in the goal square and clear the 50 out |
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| Author: | cecil89 [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:36 pm ] |
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A generally more attacking game plan will hopefully lead to us kicking more goals this season. Individually I still don't see anyone kicking a large amount of goals. 20ish from Walker and Jaksch, 30ish from Menzel and Everitt. 15-20 for Thomas, Gibbs, Boekhorst, Graham etc. If we land some new players, Tomlinson & Lamb for example, they will hopefully hit the scoreboard too. We won't be breaking any records though. |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:33 pm ] |
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cecil89 wrote: A generally more attacking game plan will hopefully lead to us kicking more goals this season. Individually I still don't see anyone kicking a large amount of goals. 20ish from Walker and Jaksch, 30ish from Menzel and Everitt. 15-20 for Thomas, Gibbs, Boekhorst, Graham etc. If we land some new players, Tomlinson & Lamb for example, they will hopefully hit the scoreboard too. We won't be breaking any records though. this is where the great defensive Coach Malthouse will really come to the fore OOPS |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:53 pm ] |
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What we need are options that can win enough contests inside 50 to get enough shots on goal to win, on average. We also need to engineer enough inside 50s, and prevent as many inside 50s and scores as we can from the opposition. Walker, Everitt, Menzel, Casboult and Bell do this for us. There's sufficient variety in the ways in which they accomplish this. The clear weakness amongst that collective skillset is some speed at ground level. I don't think Lamb will adequately address this, and see better alternatives in Boekhorst, Buckley, Sumner, Smith and Armfield. What you can also spot is that Casboult is fairly unique, which is why Josh Walker is being looked at. Buckley is probably the most capable of having an impact aerially, whether that be marking the ball or bringing it to ground in a reasonably fair contest; Boekhorst similarly. So while losing Bell is a negative in the short term, I think our forward line is capable on all fronts if we use the right players and give them the right support. The fact that we have guys like Gibbs and Cripps who can go forward and provide a very good lead option, Murphy and Graham who can crumb well, and Thomas - who can do a bit of everything when fit - is a good support crew from midfield. That we have Tuohy and Docherty who can realistically directly contribute goal or two a game each between assists and shots is sensational. Kreuzer is also handy when his tail is up. What's not great is our depth in forward talls, which we're clearly seeking to improve over the trade period both directly and indirectly, as well as our depth of talent when it comes to delivering inside the 50. A firing Yarran would have been great to address this but it seems he's gone. From the aforementioned names that are currently on our list, Casboult, Walker, Everitt, Bell, Kreuzer, Thomas and Smith are inconsistent to AFL average in this regard. They can improve, but we need to cultivate more options in case they don't, because Dick, Whiley, Curnow and Tutt do not fill the opposition with dread and the opposition will sag off them and try to force a kick to intercept. The good news is we've moved and are favourable to moving on players who don't do this, namely Ellard, Carrazzo, White, Johnson and Russell. Hopefully we bring in some players who are more functional in this regard than Lamb, who while a clean kick is not great on the run in terms of field passing, and continue to fast track names like Sheehan, Byrne, Holman and DVR. If the following list of names are shuffled back to the bottom 25% of our list for 2016, we're going to significantly improve through consistency of performance alone: Jones Rowe Tutt Armfield Dick Walsh Smith That's not to say some of those names won't improve or can't make valuable contributions, just that the less of these players that are needed in the team at their current level of output, the better off we're going to be. Hopefully some or all of Tomlinson, Plowman, Sumner, Mayes, Silvagni, Weitering and Rice will all add to these areas of need both directly and indirectly, but those are at best 7 names out of what could be up to 12 list spots up for grabs. Hopefully we'll have at least one good draft pick to tidy that up further, as well as a good PSD pool and maybe a low-key free agency signing like Grimley, rounding it out with a couple of live rookie picks. TL;DR version: process good, structure needs to improve alongside personnel and good options are being sounded out, Casboult unique but not irreplaceable. |
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| Author: | TomAlvin'sWig [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:29 am ] |
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Tom Boyd anyone? |
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| Author: | Blue Tongue [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Building a forward line who is going to kick the goals |
Josh Schache is also available. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:39 am ] |
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..in my opinion our biggest fwd line weakness 2015 was locking the ball in our F50.. |
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| Author: | Wet Willie [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:40 am ] |
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Bring on Liam "Golden Boot" Jones... |
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| Author: | TheSwan [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:56 am ] |
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As it sits now with Hendo and Casboult (probably) gone.. Everitt ??? 1AW Thomas Jacksh Menzel Rowe Foster Pick 12 or another draftee |
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| Author: | The Normal One [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:03 am ] |
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@traderadio: News from @cleary_mitch: If Cam McCarthy deal falls through, Freo will target Levi Casboult in its search for a key forward #NABTradeRadio First rounder outright? They would pay it, even though it's overs. |
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| Author: | teagueyubeauty [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:30 am ] |
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^^LIKE^^ I reckon he'd be perfect for Freo and cheaper |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:20 am ] |
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Levi could thrive over there, and Freo are desperate for a key forward (mind you, so are we!). Could get a good pick out of them if we're smart. |
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| Author: | TheSwan [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:24 am ] |
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Freo's first round pick would go to Bennell. |
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| Author: | dane [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:25 am ] |
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Fremantle would be crazy to give a first rounder for either Bennell or Casboult |
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| Author: | emtwenty [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Building a forward line who is going to kick the goals |
Kerridge will kick all the goals 10 in 2 games = 5 a game = 125 a year when we play 25 games & win the league |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:51 am ] |
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Works for me! |
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