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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:21 am 
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Repeating the same stuff, over and over and over again, even if the content is correct, is tiresome, in the extreme.

Hence the YAWN.

Why don't you and the other Chicken Littles give it a rest, or provide some genuine insight?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:55 am 
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windy wrote:
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Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

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Repeating the same stuff, over and over and over again, even if the content is correct, is tiresome, in the extreme.

Hence the YAWN.

Why don't you and the other Chicken Littles give it a rest, or provide some genuine insight?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:34 am 
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windy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

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Repeating the same stuff, over and over and over again, even if the content is correct, is tiresome, in the extreme.

Hence the YAWN.

Why don't you and the other Chicken Littles give it a rest, or provide some genuine insight?



Saying that everything will be fine and dandy just wait and see is not providing content

Worst season in 117 years supporters have every right to express their frustration and vent it often

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:05 am 
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Of course its frustrating and embarrassing to only have 2 wins this season. But there are reasons.

I look at the games as can see what will come.

We aren't that far away from mid table - that will happen with a little luck (and good management) with injuries and one or two good pick ups. We are still 3-4 years from being a top 4 side.

But it's coming and we just have to stay the course.

I don't think any other club has built their list from as far back as we have, but we had to because of years of bad decisions. I'm confident most have been rectified.

People were calling for Hardwicks head three years ago, Buckleys last year. They have been in the job much longer than Bolton and inherited better lists. We need to be more patient with our mob.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:15 am 
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Of course its frustrating and embarrassing to only have 2 wins this season. But there are reasons.


I have no problem with people being disappointed and people have the right to vent.
It's when individuals are so fixated on one aspect to the exclusion of everything else that I find myself skipping their posts.

I don't think I've read a single post saying that Bolton is doing a perfect job, but I've read plenty that seem to apportion the blame for out shit season solely at his feet.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:32 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
Of course its frustrating and embarrassing to only have 2 wins this season. But there are reasons.


I have no problem with people being disappointed and people have the right to vent.
It's when individuals are so fixated on one aspect to the exclusion of everything else that I find myself skipping their posts.

I don't think I've read a single post saying that Bolton is doing a perfect job, but I've read plenty that seem to apportion the blame for out shit season solely at his feet.

+ 1

There's not any coach current or past that could have worked with within the circumstances of what Bolts copped this year and done much better, if at all.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:38 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
Of course its frustrating and embarrassing to only have 2 wins this season. But there are reasons.

I look at the games as can see what will come.

We aren't that far away from mid table - that will happen with a little luck (and good management) with injuries and one or two good pick ups. We are still 3-4 years from being a top 4 side.

But it's coming and we just have to stay the course.

I don't think any other club has built their list from as far back as we have, but we had to because of years of bad decisions. I'm confident most have been rectified.

People were calling for Hardwicks head three years ago, Buckleys last year. They have been in the job much longer than Bolton and inherited better lists. We need to be more patient with our mob.



You hope it is coming
Carlton needs our youth to come on quicker than other teams

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:42 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
bluechucky wrote:
Of course its frustrating and embarrassing to only have 2 wins this season. But there are reasons.

I look at the games as can see what will come.

We aren't that far away from mid table - that will happen with a little luck (and good management) with injuries and one or two good pick ups. We are still 3-4 years from being a top 4 side.

But it's coming and we just have to stay the course.

I don't think any other club has built their list from as far back as we have, but we had to because of years of bad decisions. I'm confident most have been rectified.

People were calling for Hardwicks head three years ago, Buckleys last year. They have been in the job much longer than Bolton and inherited better lists. We need to be more patient with our mob.



You hope it is coming
Carlton needs our youth to come on quicker than other teams

Why? Because of the impatience of some who rant that the rebuild has been going for 15 years (not 3 as it actually has)?

If it's coming it's coming.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:36 am 
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I feel it coming.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:57 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
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Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.


Jim is allowed to express his opinions.....


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Absolutely

Its good to have 2 differing opinions. Gives me food for thought.

What must also be considered by every poster is what is opinion, generalisation, and or imbalanced.

Looking into the future nothing is black and white, but one must consider the good things BB brings to the table, because he does, and the worrying things: notb as if it is dogma.

I think you and jim come across as heavily bias against BB and don't care to see green shoots, and that comes across as bias and imbalanced.

It seems you use the site to just vent your frustration, and at times become personal towards opposing viewpoints. Some find that boring. I think its funny...and to a degree food for thought....but not dogma.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:40 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
Remove them all


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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

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Agree that all posters have their right to post their opinions, however if that's just going to be the same rant over and over again over several threads without offering what he would like to happen or what he would do then what's the point?

Let's move on from ranting about the coach to some meaningful discussion


Do you want the Coach sacked?
If so who would you like to replace Bolts?
Considering all our kids signed contract extensions as they believe in the direction the club is going, do you accept that there is risk in sacking the coach?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
Remove them all


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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.


Jim is allowed to express his opinions.....


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Absolutely

Its good to have 2 differing opinions. Gives me food for thought.

What must also be considered by every poster is what is opinion, generalisation, and or imbalanced.

Looking into the future nothing is black and white, but one must consider the good things BB brings to the table, because he does, and the worrying things: notb as if it is dogma.

I think you and jim come across as heavily bias against BB and don't care to see green shoots, and that comes across as bias and imbalanced.

It seems you use the site to just vent your frustration, and at times become personal towards opposing viewpoints. Some find that boring. I think its funny...and to a degree food for thought....but not dogma.
BB I will only ever go back at a poster if they target me first

I read most on here and don't even comment.

I love your passion dont always agree but love it.
Posters who come on here and pot the poster because they dont like what they are saying give me the shits


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:48 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
Remove them all


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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

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Agree that all posters have their right to post their opinions, however if that's just going to be the same rant over and over again over several threads without offering what he would like to happen or what he would do then what's the point?

Let's move on from ranting about the coach to some meaningful discussion


Do you want the Coach sacked?
If so who would you like to replace Bolts?
Considering all our kids signed contract extensions as they believe in the direction the club is going, do you accept that there is risk in sacking the coach?
I have stated numerous times that I think they got the rebuild wrong.
I have always said bring back Ratten and was annoyed when they got rid of him.

Coach has delivered the worst season in 117 years we as supporters should be screaming from the roof tops

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
Remove them all


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Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk


Agree that all posters have their right to post their opinions, however if that's just going to be the same rant over and over again over several threads without offering what he would like to happen or what he would do then what's the point?

Let's move on from ranting about the coach to some meaningful discussion


Do you want the Coach sacked?
If so who would you like to replace Bolts?
Considering all our kids signed contract extensions as they believe in the direction the club is going, do you accept that there is risk in sacking the coach?
I have stated numerous times that I think they got the rebuild wrong.
I have always said bring back Ratten and was annoyed when they got rid of him.

Coach has delivered the worst season in 117 years we as supporters should be screaming from the roof tops

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So is it the rebuild or the coach?

If the rebuild is wrong would Ratten make a difference?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:55 pm 
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I just don't think Ratten had the right people around him, from the President down. He just kinda fell into the senior coaching role by default. Now that he's done a proper apprenticeship he's probably better prepared for a senior role these days.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:56 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Mods if you are going to remove condescending post
Remove them all


Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk


Report the posts and the mods will consider it.
Jim is allowed to express his opinions without being ridiculed.
Someone posting Yawn is condescending and belittling
They are the post that should go

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk


Agree that all posters have their right to post their opinions, however if that's just going to be the same rant over and over again over several threads without offering what he would like to happen or what he would do then what's the point?

Let's move on from ranting about the coach to some meaningful discussion


Do you want the Coach sacked?
If so who would you like to replace Bolts?
Considering all our kids signed contract extensions as they believe in the direction the club is going, do you accept that there is risk in sacking the coach?
I have stated numerous times that I think they got the rebuild wrong.
I have always said bring back Ratten and was annoyed when they got rid of him.

Coach has delivered the worst season in 117 years we as supporters should be screaming from the roof tops

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So you think the strategy the board should take now is to get rid of Bolton and reappoint Ratten as coach?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:55 pm 
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I will ask this question

what are the good things that Bolton brings

I will name the first
there has been quite a bit of criticism this year of SPS - I think Boltons is handling SPS very well
I don't want to go into why - but Bolton with SPS is a big tick for me

to counteract this - I think the way he has handled Weitering is terrible

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:47 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I will ask this question

what are the good things that Bolton brings

I will name the first
there has been quite a bit of criticism this year of SPS - I think Boltons is handling SPS very well
I don't want to go into why - but Bolton with SPS is a big tick for me

to counteract this - I think the way he has handled Weitering is terrible


I agree fully with Weitering, we drafted a forward and a backman, there is no point Mackay playing back nor was there any point to play weitering forward.

I feel a bit the same way as you about Ratts, I agree and said at the time that Ratts needed and deserved more time and the timing in moving him on really put us back and resulted in the full on rebuild we are doing ATM.

Similarly sacking Bolts now would be the same as getting rid of Ratts when we did, right now it would cause more damage than good. If we don't improve next year and more importantly being around the mark for finals in 2020 then by all means move him on.

But right now we have a very clear plan that everyone in the club is on the same page about and everyone has signed on to see it through, so let's give them the chance.

It was always going to be a tough year this year as this was going to be the year with the least experienced players on the list, injuries made it alot worse than it should have been, but we were in a tie with Gold Coast at the start of the year as favourites for the spoon so outside our club there were realistic expectations of what we would produce this year.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:12 pm 
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I just don't think Ratten had the right people around him, from the President down. He just kinda fell into the senior coaching role by default. Now that he's done a proper apprenticeship he's probably better prepared for a senior role these days.

He just fell into the job, he was gifted a job without proper process and failed. He had The best player in the Afl and the best full forward.Without them he was stuffed.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:13 pm 
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wat i want to see is a new GAME PLAN,no more long bombs into fwd line for starters.


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