Same shit regurgitated over an over and over again.

Soooo anyway....
Are we up to 66 games yet?

He was asked at presser about how it felt about the 0-6 start for the first time and he responded that this is the first time we ever had a rebuild.

16 premiership -no rebuild
13 times runner up no rebuild
60 times playing finals no rebuild
Only finished below 8th 16 times in 120 years of AFL no rebuild.
There is a reason we never rebuilt at Carlton and that's because once you head to the bottom it's almost impossible to get away from the bottom.
This is why teams like Dogs Saints Demons South Melbourne have only won handful of premierships they were cellar dwellers.
You get to the top and try stay there because it is a long long way back.
My guess is at age 53 I won't see another Carlton flag .
We will be stuck at the bottom.
Wont attract any decent players and will never catch up to the top sides.
One or two earlier picks in the draft isn't going to do it



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it's true, afl is emblematic of rich Vs poor. once you're at the top (geelong, hawks) it's possible to stay there with shrewd moves and turning over the list in a moderate way - ie swapping age for youth. and at the bottom it's impossible to remove yourself from it.


compounding this: the biggest thing which destroyed the afl was two expansion teams in such a short period. all those draft picks going on just two teams starved the bottom 4 or 5 teams in the league. and those bottom teams are still firmly rooted to the bottom half a decade later.

Have the Dogs ever been to the bottom? How about the Tigers?
They won the past 2 flags!

I understand people are disappointed and upset but I don't believe that's a valid excuse to post the same bullshit and emotive untruths over and over again.

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It took the Dogs 64 years and the Tigers 37 years of sitting at the bottom

Next question

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Richmond were wooden spooners in 2007.

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I’ve said this before.

We are GWS. They were poor for 4 years. And look where they are now.

Most of this site is after instant gratification. Much like Australian society generally. No wonder Australian governments are populist in nature and submit to the whims of people who only think short term.

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We have been 4 times wooden spooners since 2002
WTF are you smoking

37 year and 60 odd years of hanging down the bottom rebuilding.
They may have gone up for a few years but quickly sank again and rebuilt again.

Hawks have spent 50 plus years up the top

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Regurgitating the same shit week in week out.

Richmond 3rd bottom 2002
4th bottom 2003
Wooden spoon 2004
Wooden spoon 2007
Second bottom 2009
Second bottom 2010

Premiers 2017

Your facts aren't facts Syd. They're bullshit.

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So you are willing to accept 15 more years of being at the bottom for the off chance you might get an injury free run or the benefit of 104 frees to 44 and pinch a flag

These are the facts

We have been bottom for just as long as Richmond

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Not at all.
What I'm highlighting is the fact your statement isn't true.
Its a pattern of late. You make statements. They're shown to be incorrect and you divert off in another direction.

You said


I'm simply highlighting that last years premier has spent plenty of time at the bottom the past 15 years.
Your ascertions aren't correct.

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Dogs won a flag and have headed south a year later to wait another 60 odd years to win another.
Richmond won last year are looking good this year because they suddenly believe themselves but waited 37 years

Tell me who is going to teach these kids how to win.

AFL history shows that you go to the bottom and stay there a while it is a long long way to the top



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OK, now that we've agreed that your comments about Richmond and the Bulldogs are wrong, I'll follow you down the next tangent.
Who taught the Bulldogs or Tigers how to win? Beverage was a rookie coach, what group of premiership players did he have at his disposal teaching his players how to win?
How many premiership players did Richmond have?

You carry on like Bolton had a choice. Do you believe he had the chance to be successful or play finals footy but instead he chose to head to the bottom?
He took on a wooden spoon team. A team with 4 wins that lost 6 of its last 7 games by an average margin of 70 points. Those teams included luminaries like Jason Tutt, Matthew Dick, Andrejs Everitt, Matthew Watson. Mark Whiley, Cameron Wood, Clem Smith, Brad Walsh etc etc etc.

What would be your course of action? Dont just be critical. We all know you can do that. Instead of turning over the list and rebuilding, what would be your solution?

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How can you compare different eras?

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Who is comparing different eras?

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Ratten took arguably a worst group and had them playing finals in 2 years

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There's a tipping point where the losing becomes debilitating on the group and they lose all confidence and ability to win. I believe we're at that point now.

Two years ago we were flying. We won some big games mid-season and looked great. The players had belief in themselves and the coach. I know a few players are missing from that team, but we've replaced them with quality youth - just like we saw last night.....from the Dogs.

The difference with them is they play with belief.

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Whats your solution Sydney?
What course of action would you prefer Bolton head down? You've highlighted the negatives lots of times.
What should Bolton have done differently?

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