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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:21 am 
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When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?


Mate, if you haven't got it by now, you'll never get it.

Time to move along!

It's the last game of the year, just enjoy one last look at the kids that are developing before pre-season.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:53 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?

The Herald Sun has an article today saying if we lose it will be the worst season since Fitzroy in 1996.
Yet, everyone is dead against us receiving any assistance in the way of a PP.

99% of the time it's mockery, laughter, derision, "GWS retreads" etc.

Suddenly when the topic of a PP comes up:
- They've got a promising young list
- They've been unlucky with injury
- They've got a solid foundation from the back-end (coaching, list management, footy management)
- Ergo - THEY DON'T NEED ONE

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:12 am 
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kezza wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?

The Herald Sun has an article today saying if we lose it will be the worst season since Fitzroy in 1996.
Yet, everyone is dead against us receiving any assistance in the way of a PP.


Do these guys do any research? Didn't GWS win 1 game in just their second season?

Just checked, Melbourne won 2 games in 2013 with a % of 54% :eek:

And still didn't get the wooden spoon, GWS took it with 1 win and 50%.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:15 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
kezza wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?

The Herald Sun has an article today saying if we lose it will be the worst season since Fitzroy in 1996.
Yet, everyone is dead against us receiving any assistance in the way of a PP.

99% of the time it's mockery, laughter, derision, "GWS retreads" etc.

Suddenly when the topic of a PP comes up:
- They've got a promising young list
- They've been unlucky with injury
- They've got a solid foundation from the back-end (coaching, list management, footy management)
- Ergo - THEY DON'T NEED ONE


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:22 am 
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CFC are a great TV audience attracting team, even when shit.

The AFL want us in the prime slots. It's all well and good for KAne Cornes to say Carlton shouldn't get the prime slots but that's who the punters want to watch. Unfortunately they turn off after 30 minutes.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:41 am 
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Or watch for the lol’s

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
kezza wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?

The Herald Sun has an article today saying if we lose it will be the worst season since Fitzroy in 1996.
Yet, everyone is dead against us receiving any assistance in the way of a PP.

99% of the time it's mockery, laughter, derision, "GWS retreads" etc.

Suddenly when the topic of a PP comes up:
- They've got a promising young list
- They've been unlucky with injury
- They've got a solid foundation from the back-end (coaching, list management, footy management)
- Ergo - THEY DON'T NEED ONE

so true!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:44 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
CFC are a great TV audience attracting team, even when shit.

The AFL want us in the prime slots. It's all well and good for KAne Cornes to say Carlton shouldn't get the prime slots but that's who the punters want to watch. Unfortunately they turn off after 30 minutes.


also true.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:46 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
When I note that the only teams since Fitzroy to win just two games in a season were Fremantle in 2001 and Melbourne in 2013 I feel nothing but anger. The brand of the Carlton football club is being shovelled thru s**t

Carlton is on track to its worst season since 1901. Clearly the coach’s game plan should shoulder some of this blame. Why are there so many people out of their depth at Carlton?


Mate, if you haven't got it by now, you'll never get it.

Time to move along!

It's the last game of the year, just enjoy one last look at the kids that are developing before pre-season.
It's you that hasn't got it. Even this side, as there is still plenty of ability out there, is better than 2 wins, 3 x 100 pts the things, other humiliating thrashings. We have no idea how to actually move the ball in the modern game, we are so poorly drilled it's ridiculous, so bad as such that a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a last qtr a few weeks back with 16-17 men. And another 100pt defeat. This is 3 years to a rebuild and we still have no onflield structure we have locked into. Then how often have complained about a lack of effort. Thats a lack of respect for the coach.

So when all this started it was supposedto be a 66 game rebuild. How's that going. 2 wins! Love the result of that 66 game rebuild?

So dont b4 telling us to run along. Maybe you should be the one to do that as you embrace failure.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:32 am 
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Just found we won the inside 50s 61-54. In what football universe does that happens and you lose by 100pts. That is the poorest form of coaching imaginable. Injuries cant excuse that as we're good enough to at least get it and kick it in there.but have such a poor system, plan etc that we are getting zero from it.and getting slammed on the rebound. Playing modern footy is something we don't have a clue about.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:42 am 
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Look how long it took Hardwick

Look how long it took Bucks


And they didn’t have to overhaul 40 players in theee years to start their rebuild


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:53 am 
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Tim Clarke shouldn’t be the only one to go.

Bolton needs create a new atmosphere in the locker room and change the current mindset.
New assistants and new onfield leaders.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:57 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Tim Clarke shouldn’t be the only one to go.

Bolton needs create a new atmosphere in the locker room and change the current mindset.
New assistants and new onfield leaders.
He could do that by packing up and moving back to Tassie taking his clichés with him

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:14 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Tim Clarke shouldn’t be the only one to go.

Bolton needs create a new atmosphere in the locker room and change the current mindset.
New assistants and new onfield leaders.
He could do that by packing up and moving back to Tassie taking his clichés with him

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Now is when Bolton and Lloyd earn their money and position by having the courage and nous to remove the barnacles and setup an improved environment because this current one has deep issues.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:02 am 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
Look how long it took Hardwick

Look how long it took Bucks


And they didn’t have to overhaul 40 players in theee years to start their rebuild


tbf, this is a sole product of the terrible way cfc has run our club over the last decade. We're so poorly run that it gets to the point where we have to turn over that many ineffective players in such a short space of time. but i digress...


I can't be arsed researching, but I can't recall either pies or tigers being as bad as us right now. Did they ever get a spoon under hards or buckley? or have a two win season with a 59 percentage points?


I wish (I know, I know) that we never had the injuries this season, so we could fairly and properly appraise bolton. Due the injuries Bolton will get another year as our coach. If it turns out bolton can't coach (there's enough eveidence to at least raise an alarm to this possibility), we as supporters and as a club spend another season lost like this one. Another season lost, will reach far deeper than this one. I'd be amazed if we get 45k members next year, which is a significant downturn from this season and the follow on effect for 2020 if we're as bad as right now, will be dire for the club's survival.


I think anyone being reasonable will admit this season – despite injuries – was well under expectation. Multiple players went backwards, and there were times where our game plan and style of play was absolutely ridiculous and no where in the ballpark of AFL level. Despite playing with a list of guys who have played the game their whole lives, despite the fact we are playing with 1000 first round draft picks, and despite the fact we were not the greenest, most inexperienced team in the AFL this year – we were still worse than the drug suspended fill in squad of Essendon*. that blows my tiny little mind.

Bolton will get another year, but if I was in charge, he'd be telling his story walking. Which i have no doubts will be the case next year, but at what cost?


* I hope I'm wrong, and will happily apologise to everyone here for bashing their ears in; if bolton does turn the corner. There's 100 years of afl history against him. no coach with a spoon and percentage under 60 has ever won a flag. no non-playing AFL player has ever coached a flag winning team.

and no one under the exact height of 4-foot-seven has coached a finals winning team, full stop.

by my mathematical equations, this puts our odds the same as winning powerball three weeks in a row, as bolton coaching us to a flag.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:12 am 
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Re Bolton the teacher. If the majority of 40 kids in a class continually fail their exams, then there's 2 questions that would be asked.
Are maybe 30 of those kids all dunces ?
Or is the teacher the problem ?

If by the law of averages we accept that , that many kids aren't dunces, then surely the spotlight moves to the teacher's competence.
Does it not ?

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Would it surprise me if Lloyd restructured the coaching panel and brought in Ross Lyon ? No.


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Clark sakced immediately after the final siren of our last game.


CLEARLY they weren't happy with his output.

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Rexy wrote:
Would it surprise me if Lloyd restructured the coaching panel and brought in Ross Lyon ? No.

Don't even think about it.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:53 am 
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Clark sakced immediately after the final siren of our last game.


CLEARLY they weren't happy with his output.


Let alone his input.

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