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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:58 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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The club is far more advanced than it was 3 years ago.
Losing games to Hawthorn by 138 points with players like Simon White, Jason Tutt, Brad Walsh, Blaine Johnson, Andrejs Everett, Tom Bell, Matthew Watson, Matthew Dick, Jayden Foster,Cameron Wood, David Ellard, Mark Whiley, Tom Fields, Robert Warnock on the list.

Look at the quality of the kids we have compared to then and the games we're getting in to them. If anyone cant see the improvement, they're not looking hard enough.
BV your a stats man
We are currently in our worst season on record. Could quite possibly end the year as the worst season of any team ever.
Forget about who we had when and who we have now currently the performance of the team is the worst ever.
To say that is more advanced is laughable at best.
Right now the players we had 3 years ago were performing better than what the current list is.
We can point to who we have missing but we were doing that albeit not to the same extent 3 years ago.
We by no stretch of any imagination are we more advanced than 3 years ago

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Syd, you're being lazy lazy lazy not acknowledging the mitigating circumstances that contribute to our win/loss record this year.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:01 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The club is far more advanced than it was 3 years ago.
Losing games to Hawthorn by 138 points with players like Simon White, Jason Tutt, Brad Walsh, Blaine Johnson, Andrejs Everett, Tom Bell, Matthew Watson, Matthew Dick, Jayden Foster,Cameron Wood, David Ellard, Mark Whiley, Tom Fields, Robert Warnock on the list.

Look at the quality of the kids we have compared to then and the games we're getting in to them. If anyone cant see the improvement, they're not looking hard enough.
BV your a stats man
We are currently in our worst season on record. Could quite possibly end the year as the worst season of any team ever.
Forget about who we had when and who we have now currently the performance of the team is the worst ever.
To say that is more advanced is laughable at best.
Right now the players we had 3 years ago were performing better than what the current list is.
We can point to who we have missing but we were doing that albeit not to the same extent 3 years ago.
We by no stretch of any imagination are we more advanced than 3 years ago

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Syd, you're being lazy lazy lazy not acknowledging the mitigating circumstances that contribute to our win/loss record this year.

Lazy Lazy Lazy
Your right I just looked at the ladder and our win loss ratio
To look at anything else is just smoke and mirrors

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:07 pm 
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The injuries this year and our lack of 23-27yo talent isn't smoke and mirrors, Syd. Don't be lazy.


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no no all apples taste like oranges...or should that be lemons?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:35 pm 
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The injuries this year and our lack of 23-27yo talent isn't smoke and mirrors, Syd. Don't be lazy.



there is always an excuse - it is not being lazy

The club is quite clearly in damage control at the moment

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:39 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The club is far more advanced than it was 3 years ago.
Losing games to Hawthorn by 138 points with players like Simon White, Jason Tutt, Brad Walsh, Blaine Johnson, Andrejs Everett, Tom Bell, Matthew Watson, Matthew Dick, Jayden Foster,Cameron Wood, David Ellard, Mark Whiley, Tom Fields, Robert Warnock on the list.

Look at the quality of the kids we have compared to then and the games we're getting in to them. If anyone cant see the improvement, they're not looking hard enough.
BV your a stats man
We are currently in our worst season on record. Could quite possibly end the year as the worst season of any team ever.
Forget about who we had when and who we have now currently the performance of the team is the worst ever.
To say that is more advanced is laughable at best.
Right now the players we had 3 years ago were performing better than what the current list is.
We can point to who we have missing but we were doing that albeit not to the same extent 3 years ago.
We by no stretch of any imagination are we more advanced than 3 years ago

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Syd, you're being lazy lazy lazy not acknowledging the mitigating circumstances that contribute to our win/loss record this year.

Lazy Lazy Lazy


Last year we won 6 games but led 7 times in last qtrs and lost so you'd expect under normal circumstances aan 8-9 win season. Injuries are an excuse for 5-6 wins, maybe ever 4 at a stretch. Not one! The sides we have sent out are still better than one win. You have to look at what's going on on the field to see we're not exactly progressing. By year 3 there should be enough structure in place, the players should be well drilled enough to partially, obviously not totally, cover for the injury issues as the game is more about the "system" on-field then individuals. All I see is confusion as to the game plan and a lack of effort. That's why we have one win more so than injuries per se.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:53 pm 
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We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:07 pm 
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jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


Yes yes let's just refuse to take into account all the different circumstances surrounding each coach and just focus on the win/loss ratio. Logic !


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:10 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


Yes yes let's just refuse to take into account all the different circumstances surrounding each coach and just focus on the win/loss ratio. Logic !



Rexy that is what it is all about wins and losses - nothing else matters

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:13 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


Yes yes let's just refuse to take into account all the different circumstances surrounding each coach and just focus on the win/loss ratio. Logic !



Rexy that is what it is all about wins and losses - nothing else matters


There are reasons for wins and losses.

Acknowledge them, Syd.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:23 pm 
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CARLTON'S backline has been stretched to the limit in 2018.

Arguably the strongest area of Brendon Bolton's system across the first two years of his tenure, the Blues' back six has been left tattered and torn throughout this season....


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-07-18/blues-rejig-on-the-run


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:36 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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The injuries this year and our lack of 23-27yo talent isn't smoke and mirrors, Syd. Don't be lazy.



there is always an excuse - it is not being lazy

The club is quite clearly in damage control at the moment


Next year it'll be the lack of 24-28 year olds :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:37 pm 
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jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


And why did he have success?
Maybe out of all of them (except Shithouse) he was given a half decent team.
You can't compare him to Bolts, two totally different scenarios.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:11 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


Yes yes let's just refuse to take into account all the different circumstances surrounding each coach and just focus on the win/loss ratio. Logic !



Rexy that is what it is all about wins and losses - nothing else matters


Anyone knows that's not the case in a rebuild, and in our case a complete list change.

Be fair.

You're starting to sound like Caro...looking for a headline.

We are all hurting but some of us know the path we're on. Patience is required.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:13 pm 
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CARLTON'S backline has been stretched to the limit in 2018.

Arguably the strongest area of Brendon Bolton's system across the first two years of his tenure, the Blues' back six has been left tattered and torn throughout this season....


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-07-18/blues-rejig-on-the-run


Did a Carlton Board member write that?

Doesn't matter: its fact, not just an excuse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:32 pm 
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jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


and that bloke was captain for our first ever spoon :-)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:16 pm 
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and will Essendon** win a flag?

I do not want to win 4 @#$%&! games I want to win the flag - and that is the difference. Stop worrying about knee jerk shit scared cries because we lose - instead look at what is causing us to lose. Shaw hitting every @#$%&! St Kilda jumper he could find hurt (shame cos he can get the ball) Kruise going down so we had no real ruck, and worse no support for Cripps and Kennedy - and Kennedy had no preseason - and Marchbank is not fully fit and so on. Its not the coach, not now. Its the side we are fielding. Improve that first because your way is bullshit. No new coach will come in and not change things up - And if they @#$%&! those changes up we are now back again to the same sad shitty list place we are trying to finally get away from. Give it @#$%&! time. And no, three years is not time, no where near it.

We have drafted well

and now we move into drafting and trading well - spending the money, picking the pieces to help the kids. I seriously hope things improve next year but if we have half our side out injured again then I doubt it will and yet the list should be substantially stronger...and at some point the jump will occur -high enough? maybe not - and at that point bang on about Bolts all you want, but at this point lets get the list right with no @#$%&! distractions, blaming, changing of the guard etc etc etc...@#$%&! fog that we have been losing ourselves in since 2001

Worse year ever - yes because at this point in time its the worst @#$%&! list ever but I can see that changing - I cannot see it changing if we bring in the next @#$%&! Malthouse followed by rookie followed by Malthouse ad infinitum!

We've done your @#$%&! way of no good coach chuck and start again and it has got us no closer than that horrid day we lost those picks all those years ago.


That highlighted sentence....you said that about the 2nd half of this year in about round 5. You're just pushing it further out.

TBH, I'd sakc him now, but if we have to keep him, he'd better deliver a @#$%&! superstar in the off-season. Someone who can see his vision and wants to win a flag with the CFC, because at the moment, all the traffic is outbound!

So we need to keep Cripps, use #1 very wisely, fix the issues with our other top 10s, develop the kids, get a superstar.

Bolts' has got a big 4 months ahead.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:48 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
That highlighted sentence....you said that about the 2nd half of this year in about round 5. You're just pushing it further out.

TBH, I'd sakc him now, but if we have to keep him, he'd better deliver a @#$%&! superstar in the off-season. Someone who can see his vision and wants to win a flag with the CFC, because at the moment, all the traffic is outbound!

So we need to keep Cripps, use #1 very wisely, fix the issues with our other top 10s, develop the kids, get a superstar.

Bolts' has got a big 4 months ahead.


Which 'superstar' would you get while at the same time keeping pick 1 ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:06 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
We've have 5 coaches since Parko. Two younger coaches that have never played AFL, two old dinosaurs and a young coach who had played AFL. Only one has had any success, finals and a better than 50% winning record. Not hard to guess which one, the rest took us to the bottom of the ladder.


Yes yes let's just refuse to take into account all the different circumstances surrounding each coach and just focus on the win/loss ratio. Logic !


Usually you call that spin trying to justify ta position. We went too badly to put everything down to circumstances. Fact is we were terrible.
When you win F all games, especially one win, means something isn't working right and alot more than injuries . Looking for circumstances and keeping things the same is embracing failure rather than doing something about it.

The one coach who wasn't a dinosaur and had played the game was the one that had some decent success. Record stands out like a beacon compared to the others.

'Circumstances" is that we have been shit at picking coaches.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:12 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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That highlighted sentence....you said that about the 2nd half of this year in about round 5. You're just pushing it further out.

TBH, I'd sakc him now, but if we have to keep him, he'd better deliver a @#$%&! superstar in the off-season. Someone who can see his vision and wants to win a flag with the CFC, because at the moment, all the traffic is outbound!

So we need to keep Cripps, use #1 very wisely, fix the issues with our other top 10s, develop the kids, get a superstar.

Bolts' has got a big 4 months ahead.


Which 'superstar' would you get while at the same time keeping pick 1 ?


That comes under 'use #1 very wisely'. I don't care how they do it, they now just need to deliver a result. This year will be Bolts' 4th draft. Failure is not an option.

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