Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:44 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6991 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275 ... 350  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:23 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
Posts: 7799
robertbb wrote:
jim wrote:
Didn't hurt when we swapped Pagan for Ratten.



But it did hurt when we swapped Ratten for Malthouse. Arguably, it hurts to this day!

If Bolts goes, the question is simply: Who is available that would do a better job?


David Teague did a sensational job with the Northern Bullants early in the decade taking an average side to consecutive Grand Finals. Also the one reason McGovern came to Carlton was Teague after working with him at Adelaide. I'd have him straight in.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:25 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
Posts: 7799
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Nobody associated with the club is satisfied with yesterday’s loss. Equally, nobody is satisfied with only achieving marginal gains over last year. However, to ignore the progress that has been made is to be wilfully blind or totally ignorant. There are plenty of both of these types in the media, kicking the Blues fills plenty of dead airtime.

Like all professional organisations the club constantly reviews performance. Make no mistake, all aspects of the club are held to account. All decisions are questioned and all performances, good and bad, are reviewed to see what can be done better.

Our club’s leaders are successful people. They don’t suffer defeat happily nor without reaction, nor response. Just because it doesn’t play out in the media doesn’t mean things aren’t happening. At this stage Bolton stays. To do otherwise would be reckless. Our club is not reckless.

As required, successful leaders change tack, invest more and as appropriate provide more support. Our leaders are the right people to guide the Blues to success. They are hard and ruthless when needed.

A decision may at some stage be made that a change of coach is required. However, it is equally likely that a decision will be made that stronger, better and more tactical support staff are required. The club is building for sustained success, not to be a long term mid table team.

I understand that a win would be great, however, would anyone have been truly satisfied with a 1 goal win yesterday? At best it may have kept the media at bay for a while but in reality those at the club would still be questioning / reviewing and analysing where the team and its development is at.

Cheers

OR


Changing the support staff with a shit head coach is like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. 3 wins from 35, 0-4. I'd be changing as soon as possible as to continue doing the same thing is worse. Didn't hurt when we swapped Pagan for Ratten. To keep turning out shit just hurts the culture.

We need to select coaches alot better. We've selected one good one since Parko. Since then it's gone rookie coach who had never played AFL, old dinosaur who was past it, rookie coach who had played and well, old dinosaur who was past it, rookie coach who hasn't played. Look at that and one coach did well. Not hard to guess, then we sacked him for an old dinosaur. Something we have been terrible at.




Changing assistant staff worked for Hardwick, Buckley and now for Richardson.

I think Bolton should stay but someone like Barker has had a long time with not much success.


It doesn't work if you head coach isn't good. Hardwick could coach. If he couldn't changing assistant staff would do nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm
Posts: 1233
Hardwick was also given more than 3 seasons to prove himself. You need a bit of a patience Jimmy. I’m sure bolts will improve and learn along the way.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:11 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am
Posts: 5984
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Nobody associated with the club is satisfied with yesterday’s loss. Equally, nobody is satisfied with only achieving marginal gains over last year. However, to ignore the progress that has been made is to be wilfully blind or totally ignorant. There are plenty of both of these types in the media, kicking the Blues fills plenty of dead airtime.

Like all professional organisations the club constantly reviews performance. Make no mistake, all aspects of the club are held to account. All decisions are questioned and all performances, good and bad, are reviewed to see what can be done better.

Our club’s leaders are successful people. They don’t suffer defeat happily nor without reaction, nor response. Just because it doesn’t play out in the media doesn’t mean things aren’t happening. At this stage Bolton stays. To do otherwise would be reckless. Our club is not reckless.

As required, successful leaders change tack, invest more and as appropriate provide more support. Our leaders are the right people to guide the Blues to success. They are hard and ruthless when needed.

A decision may at some stage be made that a change of coach is required. However, it is equally likely that a decision will be made that stronger, better and more tactical support staff are required. The club is building for sustained success, not to be a long term mid table team.

I understand that a win would be great, however, would anyone have been truly satisfied with a 1 goal win yesterday? At best it may have kept the media at bay for a while but in reality those at the club would still be questioning / reviewing and analysing where the team and its development is at.

Cheers

OR


Your way off it
Our recruiting and list management has been terrible
The President is a mate of SOS and he becomes the head of recruiting
I questioned the recruiting last year
We may pinch a few games this year if it’s wet and the opposition have a bad day
But sustained success you say
McGovern has 10 great minutes and was unsighted for the rest
Setter field is vanilla at best
We trade 5 potentially good young players for these 2
In the so called super draft
Fasolo ?
Plus we hand the Crows the first pick in the draft
I told you all this last year
The board goes or we r going nowhere


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:13 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm
Posts: 1233
Nick wrote:
Lets not forget that Brisbane last year had an eerily similar loss to the Gold Coast in round 5, on their way to a 0-8 start.

Now they're everyone's darlings.

It can change quickly as hard as it is to swallow right now.

Clutching at straws? So be it, got nothing else left :lol:

Yep, good point re: Brisbane. People are talking them up massively this year and they were 0-8 last year with an average losing margin of 26 points. Things can change quickly, we just need to hang in there and continue to improve and develop.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:26 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm
Posts: 1233
keogh wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Nobody associated with the club is satisfied with yesterday’s loss. Equally, nobody is satisfied with only achieving marginal gains over last year. However, to ignore the progress that has been made is to be wilfully blind or totally ignorant. There are plenty of both of these types in the media, kicking the Blues fills plenty of dead airtime.

Like all professional organisations the club constantly reviews performance. Make no mistake, all aspects of the club are held to account. All decisions are questioned and all performances, good and bad, are reviewed to see what can be done better.

Our club’s leaders are successful people. They don’t suffer defeat happily nor without reaction, nor response. Just because it doesn’t play out in the media doesn’t mean things aren’t happening. At this stage Bolton stays. To do otherwise would be reckless. Our club is not reckless.

As required, successful leaders change tack, invest more and as appropriate provide more support. Our leaders are the right people to guide the Blues to success. They are hard and ruthless when needed.

A decision may at some stage be made that a change of coach is required. However, it is equally likely that a decision will be made that stronger, better and more tactical support staff are required. The club is building for sustained success, not to be a long term mid table team.

I understand that a win would be great, however, would anyone have been truly satisfied with a 1 goal win yesterday? At best it may have kept the media at bay for a while but in reality those at the club would still be questioning / reviewing and analysing where the team and its development is at.

Cheers

OR


Your way off it
Our recruiting and list management has been terrible - Way too early to tell.
The President is a mate of SOS and he becomes the head of recruiting - He was good enough to be head of recruiting at GWS, so its not as if he doesn't have experience.
I questioned the recruiting last year - Well done to you
We may pinch a few games this year if it’s wet and the opposition have a bad day - We nearly 'pinched' a win yesterday, it wasn't wet and i don't think gold coast had a bad day and we didn't necessarily have a great day ourselves.
But sustained success you say
McGovern has 10 great minutes and was unsighted for the rest - he kicked 3 goals and was probably our best forward.
Setter field is vanilla at best - He's 4 games back from an ACL, and 6 games into his career a little harsh and again too early to tell.
We trade 5 potentially good young players for these 2 - 5 guys we don't no the names of are potentially good, yet Setterfield and Gov, who have had promising starts to their careers at Carlton are not worthy?
In the so called super draft
Fasolo ? - Agree, he doesn't look like a great pick up, but a side from a list spot we didn't give up anything for him.
Plus we hand the Crows the first pick in the draft. - We've got the crows first round pick who have won one more game than us.
I told you all this last year
The board goes or we r going nowhere


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 pm 
Offline
Adrian Gallagher

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:12 am
Posts: 50
keogh wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Nobody associated with the club is satisfied with yesterday’s loss. Equally, nobody is satisfied with only achieving marginal gains over last year. However, to ignore the progress that has been made is to be wilfully blind or totally ignorant. There are plenty of both of these types in the media, kicking the Blues fills plenty of dead airtime.

Like all professional organisations the club constantly reviews performance. Make no mistake, all aspects of the club are held to account. All decisions are questioned and all performances, good and bad, are reviewed to see what can be done better.

Our club’s leaders are successful people. They don’t suffer defeat happily nor without reaction, nor response. Just because it doesn’t play out in the media doesn’t mean things aren’t happening. At this stage Bolton stays. To do otherwise would be reckless. Our club is not reckless.

As required, successful leaders change tack, invest more and as appropriate provide more support. Our leaders are the right people to guide the Blues to success. They are hard and ruthless when needed.

A decision may at some stage be made that a change of coach is required. However, it is equally likely that a decision will be made that stronger, better and more tactical support staff are required. The club is building for sustained success, not to be a long term mid table team.

I understand that a win would be great, however, would anyone have been truly satisfied with a 1 goal win yesterday? At best it may have kept the media at bay for a while but in reality those at the club would still be questioning / reviewing and analysing where the team and its development is at.

Cheers

OR


Your way off it
Our recruiting and list management has been terrible
The President is a mate of SOS and he becomes the head of recruiting
I questioned the recruiting last year
We may pinch a few games this year if it’s wet and the opposition have a bad day
But sustained success you say
McGovern has 10 great minutes and was unsighted for the rest
Setter field is vanilla at best
We trade 5 potentially good young players for these 2
In the so called super draft
Fasolo ?
Plus we hand the Crows the first pick in the draft
I told you all this last year
The board goes or we r going nowhere


You're being disingenuous. We got a second first rounder back in the "super draft". Our off season moves since SOS has been at the helm are fine. Look who we have traded/recruited out vs who we have traded/ recruited in and I know where I'd rather be.
Uncle


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:54 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:37 pm
Posts: 18377
Location: afl.virtualsports.com.au
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game

_________________
"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
Posts: 10326
Location: Coburg
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game



so we can say we're ahead of the game?

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:39 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 20295
Location: North of the border
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game
Interesting stat and it sort of makes a mockery of those saying we have improved because the score against is better than last year

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:43 pm 
Offline
John Nicholls
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm
Posts: 9296
dannyboy wrote:
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game



so we can say we're ahead of the game?


:lol:

But seriously, it seems counter intuitive. Several new rules designed to open up play, plus more teams playing run-and-gun football and yet scores are down.

EDIT: The team Ratten built was ahead of its time. Built for fast ball movement and a lot of run-and-carry. Firing him for losses in an injury-prone year was the biggest mistake we could have made and it set us back a decade. We could have pinched a flag, and with free agency the way it is we could also have been a perennial contender. Now we're in a rut that will be very hard to get out of.

_________________
Orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano. Fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem, qui spatium vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:16 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm
Posts: 1002
Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game
Interesting stat and it sort of makes a mockery of those saying we have improved because the score against is better than last year

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Our % this year is 79 vs 61 after 4 rounds last year.

Higher scoring also equates to higher % therefore even this shows improvement


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:28 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 20295
Location: North of the border
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game
Interesting stat and it sort of makes a mockery of those saying we have improved because the score against is better than last year

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Our % this year is 79 vs 61 after 4 rounds last year.

Higher scoring also equates to higher % therefore even this shows improvement
Pointing out % is really clutching at straws don't you think.



Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:48 pm 
Offline
John James
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:19 pm
Posts: 657
Location: KG
Better information than continuous bitching.

_________________
No Guts, No Glory


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:28 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm
Posts: 1233
Sydney Blue wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game
Interesting stat and it sort of makes a mockery of those saying we have improved because the score against is better than last year

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Our % this year is 79 vs 61 after 4 rounds last year.

Higher scoring also equates to higher % therefore even this shows improvement
Pointing out % is really clutching at straws don't you think.



Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

I would have thought points for and points against is relevant when discussing scoring.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:36 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm
Posts: 1002
Sydney Blue wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
FWIW, no team in the competition is currently averaging 100 points per game for the season (BRIS with 95.3 is currently the highest) First time since 1968 R20 that no team in the comp has averaged 100 points per game
Interesting stat and it sort of makes a mockery of those saying we have improved because the score against is better than last year

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Our % this year is 79 vs 61 after 4 rounds last year.

Higher scoring also equates to higher % therefore even this shows improvement
Pointing out % is really clutching at straws don't you think.



Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


I look at % as THE most important stat when comparing seasons.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm
Posts: 6803
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Listening to 3AW. Their sports editor says that CFC powerbrokers "and there are plenty of them" have given BB 4 to 8 weeks to show a dramatic improvement in the team or he is gone.

I'm enjoying the outside heat on our club because the days of "we won't be judged by wins/loses" are over... year 4 we have to show hope... and we're a little off atm.

But I don't wan't to see Bolton sakced mid season... knee jerk reactions are the reason why we're in this position

_________________
“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:09 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 5331
Location: Melbourne
Bolton could just be our Brendan McCartney.
We need a Luke Bevo.

_________________
James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:11 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 33899
Location: Half back flank
Where's blueman when you need him???

_________________
#DonTheStash


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:45 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby

Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:24 pm
Posts: 5537
Location: Bridge, Starship Enterprise
As I have said previously, you get nothing if you sakc in the season, if you must wait the season out.

_________________
"Get ready, Teddy - you're on": Ron Barassi half time 1970 Grand Final


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6991 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275 ... 350  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 95 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group