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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:58 pm 
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Well I am starting to look at the draft ... :grin:

Rankine is the ultimate gun pick. Bring on the wooden spoon ... :smoking:


Every woe is the result of the Madhouse! :donk:


Is there a statute of limitations to the Malthouse blame game?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:03 pm 
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Questions about his ability now have to be asked.
We can blame youth poor drafting and poor trades but what we saw there tonight was poor coaching. The players are confused and playing for themselves and not as a team.
Any body can do what Bolton did in his first 2 years and push numbers behind the ball and play possession football.
When it comes to actually coaching a side to win he has nothing.
Clichés dont cut it
Someone needs to start teaching structure and getting players to keep it simple.
I can't see the money men at Carlton putting up with this for much longer
47 games into a 66 game rebuild and we look further off than when we started

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:43 pm 
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Playing on instinct has been coached out of the players.
Most players are not being played to theirs strengths.

And now he’s asking players to switch back to playing with some flare.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:45 pm 
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I believe in Bolts.

I believe in his conviction, and that he has the right mindset to teach and lead this group.

I believe he is the best guy for this job, and we need to stick with him.



What I don’t believe is that “the players are on board.”

I don’t believe that they feel the hurt, and are giving their all to turn things around.

I don’t believe that they are being honest when they say they’re working on fixing their faults, or that they’re truly absorbing what Bolts is trying to teach them about footy and adult life in general.

I don’t believe when they say they know where they’re at and don’t get ahead of themselves when they do the odd thing right.

I don’t believe it when they say they aren’t soft or intimidated by their opposition.

I don’t believe that (a few aside) they truly bleed for this club, and are focused on more than carving out a lucrative career playing sport.

I don’t believe this group of players (with exceptions), and in more ways than one I don’t believe the Carlton Football Club right now. They’re welcome to prove me wrong, but that would mean accountability, transparency and honesty.

Bolton is one of the few I do believe in.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:46 pm 
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Questions also need to be asked of SOS’s list rebuild.

Currently on our list we have 20 players who are 190cm and above. Almost half out of list is made up of tall players.

God forbid the messiah selects another player 190cm + players in the coming drafts.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:46 pm 
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Neale Craig input missing?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:54 pm 
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I know we're trying to play more attacking footy. But why has our defensive structure completely fallen apart this year. I know we're missing some players. But surely it can't be just that, or the desire to move the ball on more quickly. We seem to be zoning off far more than it appeared last year (or did we just have better, smarter players doing it?). Is Cam Bruce our defensive coach, and should he be taking some responsibility for what's happening?

It seems to me our inability to stop the opposition from scoring on most entries is the main reason we're currently 0-3.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:07 am 
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trublu wrote:
Questions also need to be asked of SOS’s list rebuild.

Currently on our list we have 20 players who are 190cm and above. Almost half out of list is made up of tall players.

God forbid the messiah selects another player 190cm + players in the coming drafts.

I think we have turned over too many players in recent years and let too many good ones go.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:22 am 
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kezza wrote:
trublu wrote:
Questions also need to be asked of SOS’s list rebuild.

Currently on our list we have 20 players who are 190cm and above. Almost half out of list is made up of tall players.

God forbid the messiah selects another player 190cm + players in the coming drafts.

I think we have turned over too many players in recent years and let too many good ones go.


I agree. I’m questioning SOS’s ability to indentify talent. Other than Fisher and Curnow, I can easily say no other player he has selecting has shown anything to make me think they will be great players for this club.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:35 am 
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47 games into our 66 game rebuild.
Then we will be good is that right?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:57 am 
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I still cant comprehend why people are getting excited about us yet again finishing in the bottom just to get a high draft pick.

That's all we've done for the past 20 years. We've had all the draft picks we need. Weve got 3 #1 picks on our list. Bloody hell - we have 5 of the Top 25 picks from 2016s draft playing on our list.


Picks don't mean a thing if you cant develop them and give them a winning culture.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:09 am 
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I still have faith in Bolts.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:41 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
I believe in Bolts.

I believe in his conviction, and that he has the right mindset to teach and lead this group.

I believe he is the best guy for this job, and we need to stick with him.



What I don’t believe is that “the players are on board.”

I don’t believe that they feel the hurt, and are giving their all to turn things around.

I don’t believe that they are being honest when they say they’re working on fixing their faults, or that they’re truly absorbing what Bolts is trying to teach them about footy and adult life in general.

I don’t believe when they say they know where they’re at and don’t get ahead of themselves when they do the odd thing right.

I don’t believe it when they say they aren’t soft or intimidated by their opposition.

I don’t believe that (a few aside) they truly bleed for this club, and are focused on more than carving out a lucrative career playing sport.

I don’t believe this group of players (with exceptions), and in more ways than one I don’t believe the Carlton Football Club right now. They’re welcome to prove me wrong, but that would mean accountability, transparency and honesty.

Bolton is one of the few I do believe in.


Pretty much this.

I get the impression that once they clock off after a game they don’t give two shits about the result. A loss isn’t churning away in their guts for days afterward, it’s simply forgotten

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:39 am 
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This year it’s clearly not working.

Our backline is under siege more often than not and I think a large part of it is the inability of quite a few in midfield to run both ways.

We looked great for the first 10 minutes. Twice this year we’ve jumped out of the blocks and then let the opposition in.

Team spirit appears down. With a captain laying the law down but not walking it, little wonder.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:53 am 
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Has to take blame for allowing Murphy to continue as captain.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:22 am 
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So it's not the coaching, it's the players?

Didn't we just turn over the playing list?
Haven't we been complaining about poor culture and soft players for years?

I don't know what the answers are,
But I'm pretty sure Bolts and SOS have a free pass from the board (at least until next year), so we better get used to this and try and take what positives we can from the 'green shoots' .


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:35 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Neale Craig input missing?


Yes!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:53 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
I believe in Bolts.

I believe in his conviction, and that he has the right mindset to teach and lead this group.

I believe he is the best guy for this job, and we need to stick with him.



What I don’t believe is that “the players are on board.”

I don’t believe that they feel the hurt, and are giving their all to turn things around.

I don’t believe that they are being honest when they say they’re working on fixing their faults, or that they’re truly absorbing what Bolts is trying to teach them about footy and adult life in general.

I don’t believe when they say they know where they’re at and don’t get ahead of themselves when they do the odd thing right.

I don’t believe it when they say they aren’t soft or intimidated by their opposition.

I don’t believe that (a few aside) they truly bleed for this club, and are focused on more than carving out a lucrative career playing sport.

I don’t believe this group of players (with exceptions), and in more ways than one I don’t believe the Carlton Football Club right now. They’re welcome to prove me wrong, but that would mean accountability, transparency and honesty.

Bolton is one of the few I do believe in.



no offence mate, that post is hard to grapple with. it's full of contradiction?

You believe in bolton, but not the club? The club hired bolton, so it's one or the other. yeah?

You don't believe the players are 'on board'? You believe the players are soft?

but you still believe in bolton?


Well its the coach's job to lead this group and instil hardness, motivate them to play through pain, and inspire them to deliver his gameplan and vision.

I look at bolton and i don't see a leader. he doesn't inspire me. he's a 5'3" little man who doesn't speak from the heart, but in cliche. he tells people what they want to hear. and as an AFL level coach he is in over his head. I would struggle to play under bolton, he's not imposing physically or mentally. he doesn't command a room.

the fact he never played afl footy. it's a tough sell to the players to jump on board his pain train when he's never set foot on an AFL field.

i hated the decision to hire bolton. his first 2 years were a smokescreen. getting everyone behind the ball and making them responsible to their man. that is reggies football writ large.

when the real bullets start flying in the AFL and you actually have to take the game on (like we're attempting to this season) is when you find out who you are as a coach and how much the players are convinced by you.

Bolton is an excellent assistant coach, but he's not head coach material. not now, not in a year's time, not ever.

and bolton is failing miserably.

Our footy development department is failing miserably

and SOS has gone too far. he's turned over too much list. there's a balance there of bringing new players into the system, and SOS in trying to rid the club of deadwood (admirable, but impossible task, imo) has actually added more deadwood from other clubs to our list.

we're no longer fast or agile. we are one-speed through the middle, very few players have a burst and our foot and hand skills are deplorable.


this is 15 years into the rebuild and 4 coaches later. we are no better off and no closer to getting to where we want to be, let alone making the top damn 8.

the board in it's entirety must go. they must take responsibility ... but while people are stupidly buying memberships and the bottom line isn't being compromised the board will stay, the coaching merry go round will keep turning and the players not playing for the jersey will continue.


we are worse than st kilda of the 80's and fitzroy of the 90's ... and we are risking losing (or just not having) a whole generation of possible carlton supporters with our constant on field failures.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:00 am 
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Long term I think BB is in trouble. If this season continues the way it has started, I have doubts the club will continue with BB next year. No way am I advocating the club sack him, but, Carlton being Carlton, they are more likely than not going to tap him on the shoulder and say ''thanks for your efforts''.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:48 am 
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no offence mate, that post is hard to grapple with. it's full of contradiction?

You believe in bolton, but not the club? The club hired bolton, so it's one or the other. yeah? Not necessarily. The club is made up of different individuals, Bolton is one. The club treats us like idiots, and I feel that Bolton is the only one who actually says what's on his mind.

You don't believe the players are 'on board'? You believe the players are soft? Not "soft" per se, but certainly not mentally tough. There are likely a few reasons for this, not the least is a mix of talented kids being led by introverted and lacklustre senior players. This has been a consistent and cultural issue ever since the Pagan days, and its no surprise to me that it continues to dog us.

but you still believe in bolton? Yes


Well its the coach's job to lead this group and instil hardness, motivate them to play through pain, and inspire them to deliver his gameplan and vision.

I look at bolton and i don't see a leader. he doesn't inspire me. he's a 5'3" little man who doesn't speak from the heart, but in cliche. he tells people what they want to hear. and as an AFL level coach he is in over his head. I would struggle to play under bolton, he's not imposing physically or mentally. he doesn't command a room. Fair enough, but from what I've seen and heard I don't believe this is the case.


Some other parts of your post I agree with to varying degrees. But I stand by my thoughts on Bolton.

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