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Our New Core Group
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Author:  bluemagic16 [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  Our New Core Group
How many genuine footballers do we have on our list we had a core group that didnt achieve what they could have alot of those players will be out the door next year so who on our list will take us forward how many genuine potential premiership players do we have right now

Murphy
Cripps
Menzel
Docherty
Tuohy
Everitt
Casbolt
Kruezer
Thomas
Gibbs
White
Bell

These are the only guys i could think of with potential upside on B.B, Holman, Jaksch, Smith, Bucks

That is slim pickings but not terrible and with a good injection of kids and new young coach i hope we can build a team around them they say we will get 5 inside the top 20 and the father and son injection the future is exciting

We are not a bad as everybody thinks, footy can change quickly the pendulum can swing

We have hit rock bottom the only way is up
Author:  2ndeffort [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
No love for Daisy? Sorry, my bad didnt see him on the list at first glance. He was probably off your post and in the medical room when i first looked!
Author:  Steve_C7 [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:44 am ]
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I would definitely put bucks in that list rather than potential, I think he has already shown that he plays with the passion required to make it.

The others that I rate of potential is Smith and Sheehan, still way too early on both these, but I can see these as starting 22 in next 2 years.
Author:  Rabbit [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:12 am ]
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bluemagic16 wrote:
How many genuine footballers do we have on our list we had a core group that didnt achieve what they could have alot of those players will be out the door next year so who on our list will take us forward how many genuine potential premiership players do we have right now

Murphy
Cripps
Menzel
Docherty
Tuohy
Everitt
Casbolt
Kruezer
Thomas
Gibbs
White
Bell

These are the only guys i could think of with potential upside on B.B, Holman, Jaksch, Smith, Bucks

That is slim pickings but not terrible and with a good injection of kids and new young coach i hope we can build a team around them they say we will get 5 inside the top 20 and the father and son injection the future is exciting

We are not a bad as everybody thinks, footy can change quickly the pendulum can swing

We have hit rock bottom the only way is up


Being generous with Gibbs. He needs to show more. I fear he will always be shuffling along in 2nd gear, picking and choosing how much effort he puts in.
Author:  dooky [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:40 am ]
Post subject:  Our New Core Group
White is rubbish. How he has survived on our list for 7 odd years is an indictment. Don't understand the love for him around here.
Author:  SnickerS [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
Take out White as he is no good
Take our Bell and Menzel too as they are certain to be traded.

Hows that list looking ?
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
SnickerS wrote:
Take out White as he is no good
Take our Bell and Menzel too as they are certain to be traded.

Hows that list looking ?


It's okay but laclks leadership. Cripps & Murphy is about it.

If there was a Callan Ward type around as he was when recruited for GWS I would jump at it. 21/22 year old, tough and leadership qualities with 10 years ahead of him.
Author:  ScottSaunders [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:11 am ]
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ThePsychologist wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
Take out White as he is no good
Take our Bell and Menzel too as they are certain to be traded.

Hows that list looking ?


It's okay but laclks leadership. Cripps & Murphy is about it.

If there was a Callan Ward type around as he was when recruited for GWS I would jump at it. 21/22 year old, tough and leadership qualities with 10 years ahead of him.


That's Cripps
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:14 am ]
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ScottSaunders wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
Take out White as he is no good
Take our Bell and Menzel too as they are certain to be traded.

Hows that list looking ?


It's okay but laclks leadership. Cripps & Murphy is about it.

If there was a Callan Ward type around as he was when recruited for GWS I would jump at it. 21/22 year old, tough and leadership qualities with 10 years ahead of him.


That's Cripps


True, but he needs help and I don't want to ruin him.
Author:  club29 [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:41 am ]
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The irish boys look the goods.
Author:  The Duke [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:45 am ]
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As I've said before, sign Cripps up for 10 years along with the best financial advice money can buy. That would set him up for life.

Sign Docherty for 5 years, Kreuzer for 4 and Holman for 3. Everyone else is open to negotiation.
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
The Duke wrote:
As I've said before, sign Cripps up for 10 years along with the best financial advice money can buy. That would set him up for life.

Sign Docherty for 5 years, Kreuzer for 4 and Holman for 3. Everyone else is open to negotiation.


Can't agree Duke. It's those type of contracts that have us in the trouble we are now.

Kruezer is injury prone. Holman is yet to fully prove himself. Docherty & Cripps I would happily give 3 year deals.
Author:  AGRO [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:09 am ]
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club29 wrote:
The irish boys look the goods.




Strange our strike rate with Irish players is far better than our strike rate with Australian players.


And our Irish players kick better than 90% of our Australian ones as well.

:wink:
Author:  cecil89 [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:10 am ]
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For me the core group is Murphy, Gibbs, Docherty, Cripps, Jaksch. Add Kreuzer and Menzel depending on the outcome of trade week.

That's about it. I'm not saying guys like Bell, Casboult, Graham, Buckley etc aren't decent players and capable of long careers, but they are expendable and replaceable, whereas the list above isn't IMO.
Author:  buzzaaaah [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:12 am ]
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Agro that would be funny if it wasn't so true :cry: :cry:
Author:  marciblues [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
Bell wants out so don't include him on the list. He wants to return to Queensland - swap for Aish perhaps?
Author:  bluegirl72 [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:58 am ]
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Think
Menz might be going too.
Author:  AGRO [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
At the moment our the core of our entire club resembles something like this:



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Author:  ThePsychologist [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
marciblues wrote:
Bell wants out so don't include him on the list. He wants to return to Queensland - swap for Aish perhaps?


That's probably the most logical. May involve some other picks or another player but I can see it happening
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Our New Core Group
AGRO wrote:
At the moment our the core of our entire club resembles something like this:


I actually think it's the opposite Agro. The club needs dramatic change. Tough decisions need to be made. The big picture is for us to become a powerhouse again on and off the field.

I like what is happening. A few players will not be happy and we may well lose some good ones but this needs to happen. No more mediocrity. We need to build for No.17 and beyond. Finally we are doing it right by going to the draft and putting a strong process in place to select our next coach.
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