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Author:  frank dardew [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Promising young players

You all know I'm a sugar coater from way back and hope the team has a better year than last But at the very least it will be an exciting year to see how our young talent improves and develops

Recruitment and trading has recently at the very least righted our list in terms of getting more young players in with hopefully a huge upside

Menzel cripps Jaksch Docherty Byrne Buckley to name a few will be worth watching and will be good to see them develop together hopefully smith BB Sheehan and Whiley will also get games and be part of it

Author:  The Yes Man [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:06 pm ]
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De Luca should take a couple of grabs.

Author:  fmurphy30 [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:28 pm ]
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Paddy Cripps was excellent today and has a huge future. Lots of touches. Influence at the stoppages. Marks up forward.

Clem Smith is a one touch player (something we sorely lack). Not certain about this year but should at least be a serviceable player.

Jaksch has been better than I thought. I figured he might take time and struggle to play senior footy this year. He has been excellent.

Docherty showed last year he has a future. Thought Dick did some nice things today and is a good size. Not convinced yet, but interesting.

Byrne has developed out of sight and is a monster compared to how he arrived. Big boy, good pace, good disposal.

Boekhurst was poor today and might struggle at Etihad where there are more contests. Almost purely outside. Better player for the 'G.

Surprised no Graham this week or last - injured? Not in form? No Holman all preseason either.

Author:  emtwenty [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:39 pm ]
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We have a few exciting players it seems....but you wouldn't want them to be too good....given the guy who picked them/traded for them isn't at the club anymore :lol:

Author:  Bluey44 [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:28 am ]
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fmurphy30 wrote:

Boekhurst was poor today and might struggle at Etihad where there are more contests. Almost purely outside. Better player for the 'G.




Sounding a bit like Kane Lucas dejavu....

Author:  paul_h [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:40 am ]
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Bluey44 wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:

Boekhurst was poor today and might struggle at Etihad where there are more contests. Almost purely outside. Better player for the 'G.




Sounding a bit like Kane Lucas dejavu....


PLEASE GOD NO!!

Author:  london blue [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:33 am ]
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surprised Buckley didnt get a gig these last 2 games?

any insight?

Author:  hotspur [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:59 am ]
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I wasnt at the game but it looked like Boekhurst wasnt on the ground much anyway .Can someone who was there please verify

Author:  Clayman [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:09 pm ]
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hotspur wrote:
I wasnt at the game but it looked like Boekhurst wasnt on the ground much anyway .Can someone who was there please verify


He was tired. I think he needs a season in the Bullants and another pre-season to build his tank.

Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:14 pm ]
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Clayman wrote:
hotspur wrote:
I wasnt at the game but it looked like Boekhurst wasnt on the ground much anyway .Can someone who was there please verify


He was tired. I think he needs a season in the Bullants and another pre-season to build his tank.



..have been saying this since we drafted him, aside from his age, he is NOT mature age in regards to experience, seasoning and ability to slot into the senior side on a regular basis.. ..give him time..

Author:  Rexy [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:16 pm ]
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First real look at Byrne yesterday. Nicely balanced, decent skills.

Author:  Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:30 pm ]
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Cripps appears to be a legal version of Jobe Watson

Author:  robertbb [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:31 pm ]
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Bluey44 wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:

Boekhurst was poor today and might struggle at Etihad where there are more contests. Almost purely outside. Better player for the 'G.




Sounding a bit like Kane Lucas dejavu....


Spot on I reckon. :banghead:

Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:35 pm ]
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..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..

Author:  Clayman [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:52 pm ]
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..


Mature age recruits should be ready to go - which is why there is a high expectation.

Mature age project recruits need time which is the category he fits into. We should not be risking high draft picks on project players.

Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:54 pm ]
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..


To give us at least a hint of why he was worth pick 19? Like most of our recruits, it's not that they are on our list at all, it's why we insisted they were worth the draft picks we took them with/traded for them.

Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:03 pm ]
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Clayman wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..


Mature age recruits should be ready to go - which is why there is a high expectation.

Mature age project recruits need time which is the category he fits into. We should not be risking high draft picks on project players.



..I agree, which is why I wasn't keen on the trade.. ..KJ is good, but if BB doesn't come good, or takes too long therefore giving us only a short span career.... ..we have effectively paid pick 7 for Kj and bit parts..

Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:07 pm ]
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Pafloyul wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..


To give us at least a hint of why he was worth pick 19? Like most of our recruits, it's not that they are on our list at all, it's why we insisted they were worth the draft picks we took them with/traded for them.



..a separate discussion.. ....but we did pick him, he is now on our list.. ....but being 21 doesn't make him mature age in and of itself..it's just his age.. ..he isn't a mature age footballer though.. ..he has one season in the wafl, volleyballer before that....


..I wouldn't have picked him at 19, I doubt you would have either.. ..but he is here now.. ..we need to be realistic with our expectations, he didn't pick himself afterall.. ..I think he will need a couple of years to settle in.. ..hopefully he is very durable, cos he's got less years to give..

Author:  jake_h03 [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:39 pm ]
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How many of the 18 clubs would have picked BB over Laverde I wonder...
I suspect we may be the only one

Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:05 pm ]
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..BB has had stuff all development, give him a few years to settle in.. ..i'm not sure what people expect out of him right away..


To give us at least a hint of why he was worth pick 19? Like most of our recruits, it's not that they are on our list at all, it's why we insisted they were worth the draft picks we took them with/traded for them.



..a separate discussion..


Is it? Let's not get surreal.

I don't see it as people having a go at BB's failings as human being. It's a judgement on the Carlton situation as a whole with BB being the particular detail in question at this point in time. I'm not reading the usual "pull your finger out, you're paid to... blah, blah, blah..!" type stuff at this stage. We all know football players are only the product of their genetics and their situations but I'm not reading anything counter intuitive yet. :?

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