Krooz is not a forward
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| Author: | BigBlueWave [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Our Tall Forwards |
We do have a lot of talls now. So who do we play forward out of Henderson, Casboult, Jaksch, Jones, Watson and Kreuzer Seems to me that Casboult and Jones cannot play in the back half. If we play Kreuzer he also has to go forward (I guess Kreuzer and Casboult could rotate ... that means no other ruckman). It looks likely that if Watson plays ... he will also go forward. Henderson and Jaksch could play back but how do they fit in with Rowe and Jamison Then what do we do with players like White and Everitt. The more I look at our tall stocks, the more I think we should be going after mids in the draft. It will be interesting to see which way Madhouse goes. |
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| Author: | Megaman [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Who knows? He is like crazy mad |
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| Author: | bax [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Krooz is not a forward
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| Author: | BigBlueWave [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
bax wrote: Krooz is not a forward I agree ... but Madhouse says he wants to play him forward at times. |
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| Author: | cecil89 [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
I don't think we're overstocked with talls at all. There's debate over what our fwd structure will be, but personally I think we'll go with Jones, Henderson & Casboult. Down back we'll have Jamison, Rowe & Jaksch. Kruezer will ruck, backed up by Casboult. That leaves Warnock and Wood as ruckmen in the 2s and Watson, Giles & White as key position players in the 2s. Giles is unproven. Watson is no doubt in a make or break year and White is a third tall. We're lucky to have flexibility with Henderson, Jaksch, White and to a lesser extent Watson, but numbers wise we're not overstocked. I'd say the numbers are about right, although if Watson fails and Giles doesn't kick on we will again be undermanned. I'm prepared to take another tall in this draft to help shore things up, and the club has made it clear we'll be targeting a young ruckman, most likely in the rookie draft, but I'd be inclined to use the rest of our picks on midfielders and runners. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
bax wrote: Krooz is not a forward Can't play him on ball for 120 minutes; probably would be able to extract 90 out of him in that capacity. Drifts forward well but needs to learn to be a resting forward option consistently to get the most out of both he and a player like Casboult. Has done ok out of the square on occasion, but needs to improve his overhead marking. Sadly the techniques for good ruckwork and good marks are almost directly opposing to one another. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
..I've been saying the same thing for a while now, tap work and marking oppose eachother.. ..rucks average less marks than supporters think they should be getting, and usually the better marking rucks are the older players.. ..krooz is above average for his marking ability.. ..the only good contested marking ruck of a youngish age is bellchambers.. ..krooz is more dangerous as a ruck pushing coward, than he is when resting deep.. ..he does however always bring the ball down to ground, we just need a crumber at his feet.. ....but he is huge work horse though, so I'd consider giving a rest on the pine and just work him as a flat out onball ruck.. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
..watto is an odd type, that for his size he is actually a running tall versus a power or contested key position.. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Big Kahuna Boot wrote: ..watto is an odd type, that for his size he is actually a running tall versus a power or contested key position.. I agree. Can he get lighter? Just to give him that gap between himself and his opponent, if he really is susceptible body on body. Ive seen him do well body on body. Someone like Hawkins would still rag doll him. Watto has a way to go. Fingers crossed its this preseason whicg gets him to the next level. He's a confidence player. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Walker and Thomas can play tall. They're mobile and quick too. Menzel uses his body well and has great hands. Good overhead mark too. These guys play tall and their speed makes up for the need of a small zippy goal kicker (Bettsy Jeffy) If those 3 play forward how many KPFs do we need? No doubt premiership teams have at least 2 Full time bona fide forwards. A strong bodied power full forward and a mobile CHF. Most have a ruck/ruck relief and that makes it 3 talls. Henderson is the lead up, and Jones I guess has been brought in to become a lead up CHF. If they run up the ground they open up the forward line. This gives us strong presence in the square with either Levi or Kreuzer....and the first 3 at their feet. The 3 Amigos is a thing of the past. Nice to have a good one like Bettsy. The there's Jaksch Rowe White Everitt and even Jamison who can play the tall forward role if needed. They can actually do it. I believe Giles will come on. I love the whole package. We have plenty of talls |
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| Author: | idle [ Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Its a complex question, not easily answered. Every team we'll face during a season is different, they have different strengths and weaknesses, having options for who we play forward and who we play down back will depend on who we play. Also there is the matter of form and injuries. Will Matlhouse rather a settled side week in week out? That again depends on injuries and form. If Henderson for example hits a purple patch slotting everything he kicks through the big sticks, no doubt he'll be the forward option week in week out, and will stay there until injury or form dictates otherwise. Its really hard to predict where we'll use our players during a season. If we have some luck, a fantastic pre-season and we get a bit of that magic (everything just comes together) anything can happen. But who plays where I couldn't even guess to tell. But wherever they play, all I want to see is a team determined to improve and NEVER slack off. I give Malthouse one thing, he does do his all to extract the best from his charges and won't put up with slackers. |
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| Author: | GWS [ Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
How about we trial them in different combinations during the preseason and see what works? |
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| Author: | NTBlue [ Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Over the past couple of years I have said to my mates whilst watching games that we will have the backbone of a good side when we are strong enough to play M Jamieson as the third tall. No disrespect to him but that would make our back 6 very strong. The emergence of Sam Rowe has filled one of the missing pieces giving us a big strong bloke to take care of the power forward. There are a few options for CHB, but I like it best when Henderson plays there. Yes he is often a fine forward, but when he is playing well on the HB line he creates, he beats his man and then counter attacks. But for him to play that role we need another forward to stand up. The two key forwards we have recruited may well fill CHF and FF with Casboult in the FP 2nd ruck. At least we are starting to get the depth in KP players that good sides have. A couple of good fast mids in the draft and will have the capacity to improve significantly. |
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| Author: | robertbb [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
cecil89 wrote: I don't think we're overstocked with talls at all. There's debate over what our fwd structure will be, but personally I think we'll go with Jones, Henderson & Casboult. Down back we'll have Jamison, Rowe & Jaksch. Kruezer will ruck, backed up by Casboult. That leaves Warnock and Wood as ruckmen in the 2s and Watson, Giles & White as key position players in the 2s. Giles is unproven. Watson is no doubt in a make or break year and White is a third tall. We're lucky to have flexibility with Henderson, Jaksch, White and to a lesser extent Watson, but numbers wise we're not overstocked. I'd say the numbers are about right, although if Watson fails and Giles doesn't kick on we will again be undermanned. I'm prepared to take another tall in this draft to help shore things up, and the club has made it clear we'll be targeting a young ruckman, most likely in the rookie draft, but I'd be inclined to use the rest of our picks on midfielders and runners. +1. |
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| Author: | Dominator_7 [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
BigBlueWave wrote: bax wrote: Krooz is not a forward I agree ... but Madhouse says he wants to play him forward at times. Kreuz was such a good overhead mark and mega accurate kick for goal when he first started out. If he can someohow get some confidence back in his body and re discover this form, he is capable of being a very effective ruckman / forward. |
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| Author: | camel [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
BigBlueWave wrote: bax wrote: Krooz is not a forward I agree ... but Madhouse says he wants to play him forward at times. Hopefully such comments were previously made out of necessity rather than desire. Krooz may need to play up FWD at times with reduced rotations, but at least he can now be a third prong, rather than the main man. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
Dominator_7 wrote: BigBlueWave wrote: bax wrote: Krooz is not a forward I agree ... but Madhouse says he wants to play him forward at times. Kreuz was such a good overhead mark and mega accurate kick for goal when he first started out. If he can someohow get some confidence back in his body and re discover this form, he is capable of being a very effective ruckman / forward. ..back then all the heat was on fev, and he kicked most of his goals as a ruck pushing forward to be a threat, beating his opposing ruck up forward, not so often beating a kpd when resting as a kpf.. ....he plays like an onballer, he is dangerous up forward like a tall midfielder is.. ..as a lead up target he is good, but he doesn't have a kpf natural smarts.. ..he isn't a forward, thrash hm in the ruck, give him a breather on the bench, then back in the ruck.. |
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| Author: | 17th Premiership [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
cecil89 wrote: I don't think we're overstocked with talls at all. There's debate over what our fwd structure will be, but personally I think we'll go with Jones, Henderson & Casboult. Down back we'll have Jamison, Rowe & Jaksch. Kruezer will ruck, backed up by Casboult. That leaves Warnock and Wood as ruckmen in the 2s and Watson, Giles & White as key position players in the 2s. Giles is unproven. Watson is no doubt in a make or break year and White is a third tall. We're lucky to have flexibility with Henderson, Jaksch, White and to a lesser extent Watson, but numbers wise we're not overstocked. I'd say the numbers are about right, although if Watson fails and Giles doesn't kick on we will again be undermanned. I'm prepared to take another tall in this draft to help shore things up, and the club has made it clear we'll be targeting a young ruckman, most likely in the rookie draft, but I'd be inclined to use the rest of our picks on midfielders and runners. Spot on. And agree that Kruezer is not a forward. He is a ruckman 1st, 2nd and 3rd!! but he did quite well resting occasionally forward in his first year or two - he'd take a mark,kick a goal or 2 pretty regularly. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
17th Premiership wrote: cecil89 wrote: I don't think we're overstocked with talls at all. There's debate over what our fwd structure will be, but personally I think we'll go with Jones, Henderson & Casboult. Down back we'll have Jamison, Rowe & Jaksch. Kruezer will ruck, backed up by Casboult. That leaves Warnock and Wood as ruckmen in the 2s and Watson, Giles & White as key position players in the 2s. Giles is unproven. Watson is no doubt in a make or break year and White is a third tall. We're lucky to have flexibility with Henderson, Jaksch, White and to a lesser extent Watson, but numbers wise we're not overstocked. I'd say the numbers are about right, although if Watson fails and Giles doesn't kick on we will again be undermanned. I'm prepared to take another tall in this draft to help shore things up, and the club has made it clear we'll be targeting a young ruckman, most likely in the rookie draft, but I'd be inclined to use the rest of our picks on midfielders and runners. Spot on. And agree that Kruezer is not a forward. He is a ruckman 1st, 2nd and 3rd!! but he did quite well resting occasionally forward in his first year or two - he'd take a mark,kick a goal or 2 pretty regularly. ...and because hes done it before, implies he is capable, so he can do it again if he's 100% fit and not too heavy. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Our Tall Forwards |
..^^^... ..goal kicking accuracy for set shots has been a bit off lately, but he's good for a ruckman in terms of marks inside fifty.. |
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