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All great coaches have a common trait

- They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential.

Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again.

Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result.

The players he has brought into the side

- Docherty
- Everitt
- Thomas

Are all players that will help us get to a premiership

- White
- Rowe

are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement

Ours A graders are in career best form

- Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success)
- Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team)
- Simpson (All Australian?)
- Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close)
- Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle)
-Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine)

The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet

Casboult
Hendo
Jamo
Touhy
Walker
Buckley
Graham
Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season
Menzel
Bell
Everitt
Docherty
White
Rowe
Curnow

And the future is promising

Sheenan
Cripps
Byrne
Holman

All are ready made ready to push for selection next year

Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season

Matthew Kruezer will return

Honourable mentions

Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs
Ellard
Johnson
Armfield
Could this be it

Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger
Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us
Scotto - Loved ya Heater

Bye Bye
Watson
Lucas
McInnes

We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist.

We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest.

Benji wrote:

Amazing.

All of these spectacular success stories, players in career best form, great recruits, players underneath getting better etc etc etc.
Yet we're 13th on the ladder and heading for our worst finish since 2007!
How do the "smart supporters" like you explain that with all of these amazing improvements?

Thats why i rarely post here everyone comes here to be miserable.

There is good reason to be happy with the process so far. He didn't make the finals at collingwood in his third they made the grand final.

It will all the more sweet if we get there with him just to see Eddie choke.

Blue Vain wrote:

Benji wrote:

1. Preseason ops and injuries
2 bad luck
3 lack of confidence at the start of the season.

How do you explain to illustrate
Collingwood from round 15 have lost 6 out of their last 8 matches
Richmond from round 15 have won 6 in a row
Port adelaide since round 15 have lost 5 of their last 6 matches
Gold coast since round 11 have lost 7 out of 10 matches

Same list same coach. These teams have had dramatic turnarounds

Our list is top notch. If mm succeeds with it , will the nay sayers be able to say again, that it was all to do with the resources of the club? That would be unfair. Our 2012 season shows the difference. A more accomplished coach would not have got such a dismal performance out of our list. Injuries are one thing, but sorry 2012 was just unacceptable. Ratten had to take responsibility.

padre wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Benji wrote:

Padre wrote:

Right. So injuries weren't an excuse for Ratten, but they are for Mick?
Rules for one and different rules for the other?

Ratten had a top notch list with no excuses but Mick has plenty of excuses.

Interesting to hear Judd say tonight that there is a consistency of effort developing within the team that he hasn't seen in 7 years at the club.

Why don't you explain blue vain how you build success instantly?.
Even Barrassi didn't win a premiership until his 4th season.
Your view of malthouse is supported by your delusion that he inherited a great list and game plan.
and that success is instant.

The good thing is that in a few weeks, the scoreboard is wiped, and the coach and players have a chance to start fresh.

Author:	Benji [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:	The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
All great coaches have a common trait - They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential. Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again. Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result. The players he has brought into the side - Docherty - Everitt - Thomas Are all players that will help us get to a premiership - White - Rowe are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement Ours A graders are in career best form - Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success) - Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team) - Simpson (All Australian?) - Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close) - Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle) -Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine) The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet Casboult Hendo Jamo Touhy Walker Buckley Graham Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season Menzel Bell Everitt Docherty White Rowe Curnow And the future is promising Sheenan Cripps Byrne Holman All are ready made ready to push for selection next year Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season Matthew Kruezer will return Honourable mentions Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs Ellard Johnson Armfield Could this be it Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us Scotto - Loved ya Heater Bye Bye Watson Lucas McInnes We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist. We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest.

Author:	Michael Jezz [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Great post but it is still 3 drafts if everything goes right for Carlton to become a top 4 side - Season 2018 = malthouse's 5th season. That is what it takes.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Benji wrote: All great coaches have a common trait - They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential. Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again. Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result. The players he has brought into the side - Docherty - Everitt - Thomas Are all players that will help us get to a premiership - White - Rowe are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement Ours A graders are in career best form - Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success) - Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team) - Simpson (All Australian?) - Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close) - Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle) -Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine) The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet Casboult Hendo Jamo Touhy Walker Buckley Graham Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season Menzel Bell Everitt Docherty White Rowe Curnow And the future is promising Sheenan Cripps Byrne Holman All are ready made ready to push for selection next year Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season Matthew Kruezer will return Honourable mentions Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs Ellard Johnson Armfield Could this be it Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us Scotto - Loved ya Heater Bye Bye Watson Lucas McInnes We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist. We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest. Amazing. All of these spectacular success stories, players in career best form, great recruits, players underneath getting better etc etc etc. Yet we're 13th on the ladder and heading for our worst finish since 2007! How do the "smart supporters" like you explain that with all of these amazing improvements?

Author:	dane [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:	The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Yeah Benji. Your positivity for the future has no place here! We are doomed. MM is evil dammit!!! EVIL.

Author:	Benji [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Thats why i rarely post here everyone comes here to be miserable. There is good reason to be happy with the process so far. He didn't make the finals at collingwood in his third they made the grand final. It will all the more sweet if we get there with him just to see Eddie choke.

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Author:	cecil89 [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:23 pm ]
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I don't believe a top 4 finish has to be as far away as 2018, but I'm also mindful that our current resurgence has effectively come in the junk time of the 2014 season and has come off the back of consistently good footy from Waite, Judd and Simpson, while Carrazzo also played an important role in the GC win. There's are a logjam of 12 teams ahead of us all pushing for finals, and the future looks equally bright for most of those teams as it does for us. We're going to need to recruit very well this offseason and see Cripps, Menzel, Buckley and Graham all take big strides during the off season, as well as more consistent contributions from Bell, Tuohy, Casboult etc. if we want to push past any of those teams currently ahead of us. I tipped us to finish high on the ladder this year, but I've seen many holes in our list and I won't be having those same expectations again next year.

Author:	padre [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:	The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Blue Vain wrote: Benji wrote: All great coaches have a common trait - They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential. Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again. Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result. The players he has brought into the side - Docherty - Everitt - Thomas Are all players that will help us get to a premiership - White - Rowe are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement Ours A graders are in career best form - Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success) - Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team) - Simpson (All Australian?) - Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close) - Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle) -Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine) The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet Casboult Hendo Jamo Touhy Walker Buckley Graham Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season Menzel Bell Everitt Docherty White Rowe Curnow And the future is promising Sheenan Cripps Byrne Holman All are ready made ready to push for selection next year Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season Matthew Kruezer will return Honourable mentions Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs Ellard Johnson Armfield Could this be it Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us Scotto - Loved ya Heater Bye Bye Watson Lucas McInnes We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist. We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest. Amazing. All of these spectacular success stories, players in career best form, great recruits, players underneath getting better etc etc etc. Yet we're 13th on the ladder and heading for our worst finish since 2007! How do the "smart supporters" like you explain that with all of these amazing improvements? 1. Preseason ops and injuries 2 bad luck 3 lack of confidence at the start of the season. How do you explain to illustrate Collingwood from round 15 have lost 6 out of their last 8 matches Richmond from round 15 have won 6 in a row Port adelaide since round 15 have lost 5 of their last 6 matches Gold coast since round 11 have lost 7 out of 10 matches Same list same coach. These teams have had dramatic turnarounds

Author:	Blue Vain [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
Benji wrote: Thats why i rarely post here everyone comes here to be miserable. There is good reason to be happy with the process so far. He didn't make the finals at collingwood in his third they made the grand final. It will all the more sweet if we get there with him just to see Eddie choke. I'm not miserable. Life is too good to be sitting around miserable. Footy's not that important. I'm just asking how we're heading for our worst ladder result since 2007 if everything is improving so much? How are we 13th when all of these players are playing so well? When everyone is doing such a great job? Surely that's a valid question to the original post?

Author:	Blue Vain [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:09 pm ]
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padre wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Benji wrote: All great coaches have a common trait - They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential. Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again. Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result. The players he has brought into the side - Docherty - Everitt - Thomas Are all players that will help us get to a premiership - White - Rowe are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement Ours A graders are in career best form - Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success) - Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team) - Simpson (All Australian?) - Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close) - Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle) -Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine) The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet Casboult Hendo Jamo Touhy Walker Buckley Graham Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season Menzel Bell Everitt Docherty White Rowe Curnow And the future is promising Sheenan Cripps Byrne Holman All are ready made ready to push for selection next year Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season Matthew Kruezer will return Honourable mentions Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs Ellard Johnson Armfield Could this be it Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us Scotto - Loved ya Heater Bye Bye Watson Lucas McInnes We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist. We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest. Amazing. All of these spectacular success stories, players in career best form, great recruits, players underneath getting better etc etc etc. Yet we're 13th on the ladder and heading for our worst finish since 2007! How do the "smart supporters" like you explain that with all of these amazing improvements? 1. Preseason ops and injuries 2 bad luck 3 lack of confidence at the start of the season. How do you explain to illustrate Collingwood from round 15 have lost 6 out of their last 8 matches Richmond from round 15 have won 6 in a row Port adelaide since round 15 have lost 5 of their last 6 matches Gold coast since round 11 have lost 7 out of 10 matches Same list same coach. These teams have had dramatic turnarounds Padre wrote: Our list is top notch. If mm succeeds with it , will the nay sayers be able to say again, that it was all to do with the resources of the club? That would be unfair. Our 2012 season shows the difference. A more accomplished coach would not have got such a dismal performance out of our list. Injuries are one thing, but sorry 2012 was just unacceptable. Ratten had to take responsibility. Right. So injuries weren't an excuse for Ratten, but they are for Mick? Rules for one and different rules for the other? Ratten had a top notch list with no excuses but Mick has plenty of excuses.

Author:	verbs [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The thing all Carlton Supporters need to realise
The reason we're so low on the ladder is because we lost our first four games and we're currently on a streak of losing every second week.

Author:	padre [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:30 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote: padre wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Benji wrote: All great coaches have a common trait - They give the confidence needed in players to reach their maximum potential. Malthouse is one of the very in this area and even though it takes time to build he is a master of doing it time and time again. Look at the back half of this season and tell me that MM has not done exactly what we wanted him to do. All supporters want success straight away but smart supporters understand the process is more important than the result. The players he has brought into the side - Docherty - Everitt - Thomas Are all players that will help us get to a premiership - White - Rowe are solid citizens and only getting better i.e Presti, Leigh Brown and even Jimmy Clement Ours A graders are in career best form - Gibbs (he has changed his style under MM he is a completely different footballer a stoppage specialist he understands what it takes now and is playing like a leader who wants success) - Murph (Is a gun. Enough said. Heart and Soul of the team) - Simpson (All Australian?) - Judd (He won't retire because he knows we are close) - Thomas (At his best he is a very good piece of the puzzle) -Yarran (He has had his best season by a long way at Carlton A grader now for mine) The Players we have underneath that are getting better and finding their feet Casboult Hendo Jamo Touhy Walker Buckley Graham Robinson - On field i thought he was a great contributor especially in the second half of the season Menzel Bell Everitt Docherty White Rowe Curnow And the future is promising Sheenan Cripps Byrne Holman All are ready made ready to push for selection next year Lets not forget we will have a star recruit next season Matthew Kruezer will return Honourable mentions Wood has been good, keep him don't make the same mistake we did our last promising rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs Ellard Johnson Armfield Could this be it Carrots - I'm 50/50 on him, if he stays should be purely as a tagger Brock - Sorry mate your cooked turn it around after a rough start credit for that - in the end the Jordy Gysberts trade was a winner for us Scotto - Loved ya Heater Bye Bye Watson Lucas McInnes We are heading in the right direction have faith in the plan. We are coming from a long way back culture, attitude these are traits that take time to instil in a group. MM is our best chance to get us there and sustain some success not just be flash in the pan finalist. We are Carlton @#$%&! the rest. Amazing. All of these spectacular success stories, players in career best form, great recruits, players underneath getting better etc etc etc. Yet we're 13th on the ladder and heading for our worst finish since 2007! How do the "smart supporters" like you explain that with all of these amazing improvements? 1. Preseason ops and injuries 2 bad luck 3 lack of confidence at the start of the season. How do you explain to illustrate Collingwood from round 15 have lost 6 out of their last 8 matches Richmond from round 15 have won 6 in a row Port adelaide since round 15 have lost 5 of their last 6 matches Gold coast since round 11 have lost 7 out of 10 matches Same list same coach. These teams have had dramatic turnarounds Padre wrote: Our list is top notch. If mm succeeds with it , will the nay sayers be able to say again, that it was all to do with the resources of the club? That would be unfair. Our 2012 season shows the difference. A more accomplished coach would not have got such a dismal performance out of our list. Injuries are one thing, but sorry 2012 was just unacceptable. Ratten had to take responsibility. Right. So injuries weren't an excuse for Ratten, but they are for Mick? Rules for one and different rules for the other? Ratten had a top notch list with no excuses but Mick has plenty of excuses. No same rules. I just didnt and still dont rate ratten as a coach. I am not alone. Many rate mick highly as a coach, i am one of them.

Author:	aboynamedsue [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:33 pm ]
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Interesting to hear Judd say tonight that there is a consistency of effort developing within the team that he hasn't seen in 7 years at the club.

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:19 pm ]
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aboynamedsue wrote: Interesting to hear Judd say tonight that there is a consistency of effort developing within the team that he hasn't seen in 7 years at the club. Seems like he knows we are close now given we've hit the level we have in the last month.

Author:	camel [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:09 pm ]
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aboynamedsue wrote: Interesting to hear Judd say tonight that there is a consistency of effort developing within the team that he hasn't seen in 7 years at the club. Yep, was quite a telling comment. Fair to assume he's no fan of Ratts as a coach.

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Author:	Michael Jezz [ Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:49 pm ]
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Why don't you explain blue vain how you build success instantly?. Even Barrassi didn't win a premiership until his 4th season. Your view of malthouse is supported by your delusion that he inherited a great list and game plan. and that success is instant.

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:45 am ]
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I concur with BV's sentiment on this thread...all of us hope the improvement continues. Good luck to those who believe we're closer than what we are but I suspect you'll be waiting a while on and off field. I for one can't do it anymore.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:31 am ]
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Michael Jezz wrote: Why don't you explain blue vain how you build success instantly?. Even Barrassi didn't win a premiership until his 4th season. Your view of malthouse is supported by your delusion that he inherited a great list and game plan. and that success is instant. I'm the deluded one? I'm the realist! I know exactly where we are. 13th on the ladder and heading for our lowest finish since 2007. I'm not telling everyone how rosy it all looks and how our players have improved so much and how they're all in such great form. Many of you change from week to week. One week we lose and the players are pathetic and we should delist them all. Next week we win and they're all travelling beautifully. So don't change the direction of the thread because you cant counter my view. Nowhere have I said success is instant, It's your lack of basic comprehension that leads you to taking threads off course.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:08 am ]
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The good thing is that in a few weeks, the scoreboard is wiped, and the coach and players have a chance to start fresh.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:28 am ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote: The good thing is that in a few weeks, the scoreboard is wiped, and the coach and players have a chance to start fresh. Yes lets see if we can lose the firsg 5 games next year That will be an improvement according to some on here

Author:	Franc de Borges [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:47 am ]
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Richmond, Brisbane, Melbourne, GWS and even Geelong and Fremantle were all games we could have and should have won. If we had of we'd be on 12/13 wins and well entrenched in the eight. For whatever reason though, we failed in every one of them. I'll be reserving judgement next season until these sorts of games are won. No doubt we've unearthed a few players and there are genuine positives, particularly at the moment, but I'm still very wary of our mental strength, or lack thereof.