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How does winning help our cause?
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Author:  DocSherrin III [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  How does winning help our cause?
Ok....I'm suffering from deja vu here...but given the clubs predicament...could someone please explain how winning helps? I'm seeing a lot of blaming umpires for losses and a lot of angst about not winning...but umpires will never cost you a game of football...the team beats itself or the opposition is too good. It's glaringly easy to see this lists deficiencies...and the majority of you want to win? Are you crazy?

Change should have come last year but the boards insistence that this team defeated Richmond in a final and forgot that the Sydney final ever occurred. They genuinely thought that the list was good enough. The 2014 list has giant holes...there isnt much point winning save to serve your own selfish needs.
Author:  Taff [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:54 pm ]
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Totally agree. As nice as the win would have been, these close losses highlight the deficiencies and hopefully reinforces the desire for change for those that can't, don't or won't.
Author:  grrofunger [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:56 pm ]
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winning isnt the problem.

the problem is winning convinces our moronic administration that all is ok.

we should be able to win and still deal with the deficiencies

success breeds success

losing sucks

and blah blah pick 4 instead of pick 10 or whatever , but our recruiters would @#$%&! up whatever pick so its irrelevant.

It all comes back to the board and the people running the club
Author:  grrofunger [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:56 pm ]
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AND the umpires are shit
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:57 pm ]
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You can win and regenerate a list at the same time if your Recruitment and Player Development is up to scratch. Just look at Geelong and Hawthorn (I don't count Sydney as the AFL turns a blind eye to their Salary Cap shenanigans).
Author:  GWS [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:58 pm ]
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I just want the players to feel reward for effort.

Tonight is the first time this year that it seemed like the vast majority gave a damn.

A win would be a good result.

Don't really care if they lost all the others. Not much joy there.
Author:  Michael Jezz [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:01 am ]
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Winning equals development and high draft picks have not helped our cause anyway
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:03 am ]
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Winning = development?? Bolony.
Author:  bluechampion [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:03 am ]
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It's not about ladder position, it's about minimum standards of competitiveness. It's about generating a winning culture. Winning begets winning.
Author:  Manchego Cheese [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:07 am ]
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Dominator_7 wrote:
You can win and regenerate a list at the same time if your Recruitment and Player Development is up to scratch. Just look at Geelong and Hawthorn (I don't count Sydney as the AFL turns a blind eye to their Salary Cap shenanigans).


Both those teams have been helped enormously by the arrival of the expansion teams diluting the pool of available young players through a combination of picks and pre-selections.
Author:  AGRO [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:08 am ]
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DocSherrin wrote:
Ok....I'm suffering from deja vu here...but given the clubs predicament...could someone please explain how winning helps? I'm seeing a lot of blaming umpires for losses and a lot of angst about not winning...but umpires will never cost you a game of football...the team beats itself or the opposition is too good. It's glaringly easy to see this lists deficiencies...and the majority of you want to win? Are you crazy?

Change should have come last year but the boards insistence that this team defeated Richmond in a final and forgot that the Sydney final ever occurred. They genuinely thought that the list was good enough. The 2014 list has giant holes...there isnt much point winning save to serve your own selfish needs.



Totally agree but tonight is the night for barracking and umpire bashing and being pissed off because your colours have been lowered.

Normal transmission will resume tomorrow morning. :wink: :razz:
Author:  AGRO [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:09 am ]
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And yeah what grrofunger said, the umpires were shit.
Author:  Locke [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:15 am ]
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The joy has been sucked out of footy for me; wanting to lose based on the perception the club needs to alert itself to the falseness of our development is just shit really.

A decade of cheering the team on is countered by a desire to see us lose in some sort of vain hope the Phoenix will rise from the ashes.

Where's those primal feelings of joy and anguish at watching the club, the players and the fans all experience what footy used to offer? It's quite miserable being a 'realist' Carlton, even an AFL fan, right now. Although I doubt I'd feel so despondent if we were say, Port Adelaide

Also @#$%&! the umpires.
Author:  Hornet [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:15 am ]
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bluechampion wrote:
It's not about ladder position, it's about minimum standards of competitiveness. It's about generating a winning culture. Winning begets winning.
Author:  zeecfc [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:21 am ]
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DocSherrin wrote:
Winning = development?? Bolony.

This is a very poor attitude Doc.

Winning culture is the best culture, development over recruitment and it's not always Carlton's fault.
Author:  verbs [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:21 am ]
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You don't follow a team wanting them to lose.
Author:  Locke [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:28 am ]
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Development = winning is the equation we're after.
Author:  Taff [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:28 am ]
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Locke wrote:
The joy has been sucked out of footy for me; wanting to lose based on the perception the club needs to alert itself to the falseness of our development is just shit really.

A decade of cheering the team on is countered by a desire to see us lose in some sort of vain hope the Phoenix will rise from the ashes.

Where's those primal feelings of joy and anguish at watching the club, the players and the fans all experience what footy used to offer? It's quite miserable being a 'realist' Carlton, even an AFL fan, right now. Although I doubt I'd feel so despondent if we were say, Port Adelaide

Also @#$%&! the umpires.


Don't worry there is still plenty of angst when we lose. I hate it. Been following this club since 1968 and don't intend to stop just yet. Like many thought, I am disenchanted with our club management and reluctance to follow due process and practice strong leadership and decision making.
Author:  mikkey [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:28 am ]
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Don't listen to the Doc he is on an absolute bender from one brewery to the next in the US. :-)
Author:  kingkerna [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:32 am ]
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Stupid question, I'll forgive him though, he's enjoying the baseball season too much
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