I really hope the Mods will leave this as a dedicated thread as I think this could get lost if blended with the Gibbs thread

I think tonight's loss and Bryce's performance are hot topics now and need the focus of a dedicated thread

Before tonight I was happy to have Gibbs sign for five years at the talked about $600k because he's a good player who stays on the park and plays midfield and is versatile

But after tonight I have second thoughts

He was not tagged and basically allowed to run around on his own and only had 19 touches and really had little impact on the game

I'm concerned he hasn't got much improvement left in him

Is he worth $600k?

Are we better off getting a high pick for him and trying to turn over the list and maximizing this upcoming draft as much as possible?

I'm just worried Bryce doesn't that have ruthless leadership mentality to him and that is what we desperately need

And I'm worried the club will hang on to him because we don't have much else and that's a conservative move when maybe we need to take a risk

There is a bit of talk about how the problem at the club goes beyond whoever is coach. I agree with this. Our problem rests with the lack of leadership and general lack of mental fibre on the list

And I'm just worried Bryce is endemic of this lax culture and maybe we are better off riding ourselves of this culture

That we won't truly get better til we do this

Some good points.

But you surely can't have formed a definitive view on a player's future on the basis of one performance, good or bad. The whole body of work needs to be looked at. What if he is instrumental in leading the team to victory against the Cats?

As for what I would do, I think it is a really tough one. The questions you raise are all valid, but then, Gibbs is a neat, versatile, skilful player and I am not sure we have enough of those to be giving those we do have away.

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Gibbs for a first round draft pick

Can't afford to lose him. Opposition teams will know he is willing to take 600 and won't offer more. And I don't think that will be enough to get us a first round pick compo - will get us end of first round and that's a massive risk.

if we were confident of gaining another pick in the top ten then I would let him go and not fight for his services

although, as another poster quite rightly mentioned if there is a risk that his pick is at the end of the first round then I'm not so sure

don't think my opinion will change by the end of the year

trade gibbs
bring in another lucas watson bootsma or cripps

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or bring in another Selwood or Pendlebury

although I do understand your point

selwood and pendlebury didnt get drafted by us......but gibbs did.....

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It's the culmination of many years watching him
And last night being a catalyst of sorts
What's Murphy being paid? He'd want to be on almost twice what Bryce is on IMO
Thomas goes in harder and chases and tackles better than Bryce

i remember when there were stories about Gibbs old man ... the strut... the arrogance... cocky... extrovert...
our recruiters assured us he wasnt like the old man...........

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Everyone tackles better than Bryce. There is an untouchable ness about him that he now thinks his shit doesn't stink and that we will always lap up the half hearted efforts no matter what.

Carlton always waits for the potential to kick in of any of our hacks but it never does and we are left with a player that coulda, shoulda been.

The fact that T Bird and SOV are in our top 150 players of ALL time says it all really.

Lots of skill but not enough effort, or that's how it looks as a spectator.

If we can get a 1st round pick I would let him go.

I'm not sure what his mindset is.

He can be outstanding or he can completely disappear where he is seen spending whole quarters jogging from contest to contest, but always 15 metres behind it, with a complete and utter lack of urgency or want to help his mates at that contest.

Saw his direct opponent break forward hunting the ball, and getting the ball, while Gibbs just jogged, 1-speed, behind him.

Then a few weeks ago the effort matched with his skills Vs the dogs and eagles was the difference in the game. A match winner.

With Gibbs it's all above the shoulders. He seems to turn up and play, or he doesn't. Not professional, and not worth 600k per year. For 500k I'd take him.

His best football would come playing in an elite midfield where other guys do the heavy lifting, and he can roam to the wings and forward 50 and do everything in his own time, linking the mids to the forward line. Here at CFC, he's counted on to be one of those guys to do the heavy lifting with murph, week-in-week-out and he's not up to the task.

Frustrating to watch, because when he's putting in (like the Richmond qualifying final last year) he's one of my favourites. But when's jogging around in the shadows like last night, in a 7 point game where he could be the difference in the result, you want him gone.


Given our recruiting history and our capacity to be completely unable to draft anyone worthwhile, I'm doubtful we'd get his replacement right. And if we did, it'd be 4 years before we saw the fruits from that. By that time, Murphy and Kreuzer and Co. will all be retiring.

I feel a bit for Gibbs. He is copping a lot of flak and IMO the simple fact is he isn't good enough especially in our current state. He is a good player but no where near the games top level and he never will be. At 25 and 165 games he isn't going to improve.

Gibbs would be a fantastic 4-5th best mid in a top side. His outside work and finishing would really top off a side. You can see that in games when we are winning the contested ball. He runs and does well.

IMO we should trade him but given our recent history it won't happen. I think that is a mistake for us and for Gibbs himself. Imagine him at Port Adelaide playing outside Wines, Boak, Ebert etc. He'd have a field day and be a good chance of a Premiership.

Even if we get our sh1t together now we are a minimum 6-7 years away from success, We just don't have the young talent coming through. From that point of view what is the point of keeping him or him staying?

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I only watched the second half and he looked pretty good.

At least he could run.

He's played well this year. $500k is very reasonable for what he can do.

He's not the reason we lost.

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Watch the cats hit him hard early next week and scare Bryce out of the game. Good sides know that carlton are soft and go out with a plan to hit hard and intimidate our boys and it works. Bryce needs to own games. Needs to stamp his authority on some good sides. Needs to learn to break a tag (when he has one). Until he does these things he will just be another midfielder. And just another midfielder does not take $600k from the cap

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Maybe this is the issue. Do we expect more than he can give?

I am sure he wants to do more and perform at a higher level and I am sure he feels he is trying but maybe he is just not good enough. Not many players with 165 games actually improve.

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Sign him for two years / three years and then trade him immediately to where he doesn't want to go for the best we can get. Sends a message of those that think they can hold a gun to Carlton's temple within a year of free agency.

You only watched the second half but you are in a position to claim Bryce isn't the reason we lost??? That's a nonsense

He is ONE of the reasons we lost

And in any respect this thread isn't about whether he lost us the game last night. it is about whether we should take the opportunity to get another high pick, assuming it can be high ?? And use this as a springboard to seriously renovate the list

And also the talk is his pay cheque will be closer to $600k not $500k. I would argue he is not worth $600k because im not sold he has a great deal of mprovement left in him and signing him for that is a sign the club is keeping him only because we lack depth (ie we are scared shitless) rather than because he is worth $600k

Conservatism or take a risk

I'm very close to thinking we should take the pick, if it is a high pick

But we need to trust our new recruiter to not balls it up

You can get gun kids who can impact ASAP, see Wines for example

Do we have confidence our recruiter can do this? If not then keep Gibbs, but that is a sad state of affairs if true

Would you rather a Wines who'll be a gun for ten years or a Gibbs who'll be a safe, inoffensive player for five years??.

This is crucial times for the club

They have an opportunity to start afresh and go to what is being touted as a strong draft with some high picks to add to the likes of Menzel, Buckley, Docherty, Yarran, Henderson etc, we already have some good youth lets add to it