big call on Levi, nice work.

if he can correct his kicking and this is a monstrous if, he will be a star

I agree with Buckley too, he is Carlton old skool, his passion is worth more than Gibbs' skill any day.

i'd also throw in Waite - aint nobody gonna touch him..

No one should be classed as untouchable. At the end of the year we should have everyone on the table. We need to be aggressive in our trading. We need good young talent and we need to dramatically turn the list over.

If we can complete a few good deals, get 4-5 picks inside Top 25 things and belief can turn around quickly.

This year's draft is the first uncompromised in years and apparently has some really good tall talent that will go in the top 10.

Let Gibbs go to Adelaide and get a Top 10 pick. That would give us TWO Top 10 picks and salary cap room.
Trade Yarran and we could get a Top 20 pick.
What's Kruezer worth? Jamison?
If a club comes to us with 2 top 20 picks for Henderson is it worth it?
Would a WCE trade a Top 30 pick for Garlett?

We are a long way off a Premiership list and we need to be smart and aggressive. Saying that players are "untouchable" is just more mediocrity and not taking our situation seriously.

As for the list. Docherty, Buckley, Cripps, Menzel are the future. Yarran, Levi aren't and will not be part of our next Premiership team. That needs to be the focus.

Not sure about your call on Yarran, he has been good this year, has some upside and is still young.

No one should be classed as untouchable. At the end of the year we should have everyone on the table. We need to be aggressive in our trading. We need good young talent and we need to dramatically turn the list over.

If we can complete a few good deals, get 4-5 picks inside Top 25 things and belief can turn around quickly.

This year's draft is the first uncompromised in years and apparently has some really good tall talent that will go in the top 10.

Let Gibbs go to Adelaide and get a Top 10 pick. That would give us TWO Top 10 picks and salary cap room.
Trade Yarran and we could get a Top 20 pick.
What's Kruezer worth? Jamison?
If a club comes to us with 2 top 20 picks for Henderson is it worth it?
Would a WCE trade a Top 30 pick for Garlett?

We are a long way off a Premiership list and we need to be smart and aggressive. Saying that players are "untouchable" is just more mediocrity and not taking our situation seriously.

As for the list. Docherty, Buckley, Cripps, Menzel are the future. Yarran, Levi aren't and will not be part of our next Premiership team. That needs to be the focus.

..its about trade value yes, but if you get rid of players with heart, and keep fakers, team culture suffers even more.... ..you have to balance trade value with 'finals footy' types.... ..you must keep the players with heart and soul, e.g krooz will get you value but you will miss his G&D that turns up every game, fights all game no matter the score.. ..cos the fresh talent we need to bring in MUST be surrounded by 'finals footy' types, or it's a wasted exercise.. ....we've brought in some fresh talent, they learned off suspect leaders, and now we have to try again..

..it's not as simple to just put everyone on the table, and while I believe that if the offer is fantastically in your favour, which is highly doubtful now Voss isn't a coach, that if it's in your favour sure consider the trade.... ..but most definitely move certain players like hendo down the list cos he is the rare type you build a team around..

well you wouldn't replace someone with 'heart' with someone with 'no heart', would you

EVERY player has a value