It's time for Carlton to have a plan to work through its list. I don't mean tank, I mean check out what we have in the knowledge that this year is a waste anyway. We need a plan to look through the list with a strong preference for utilising the young players we have drafted and giving them sufficient senior exposure to make a decent judgment.

Buckley has been given his chance this year and for the most part has taken it. I thought he should have played more last year. He was not tearing it apart in the twos but showed a bit. Docherty was half decent tonight and should play each week for the rest of the year. Ditto Menzel. Stop given the sub vest to kids.

A concerted effort must be made to also get games into Cripps, Graham, Holman, Johnson, Reynolds, Giles and maybe Temay. Find out what they have for the next level. Give them all a few games.

Persistence should be shown with Watson, Bootsma and McInness. Watson in particular should be preferred to Rowe. He may or may not make it but the ceiling is a lot higher if he does. For whatever reason, we gave two year contracts to Watson and Bootsma last year. We are stuck with them for two years so we may as well find out what we have. I like Watson and think he has been treated harshly. Many on here don't. Maybe the coaches don't either. We need to give him an extended run and develop a settled back 6-8 that can play together.

Boots I am not a fan of but he was preferred to Watson for most of last year. Play him and push him to get better. McInness seemed to have lost his mojo since the knee. He may be stamped, I don't know.

It is time to stick a fork in a few. Hate to name guys, but Rowe, White (despite being good tonight), Armfield (may have already been done), McLean, Scotland should be left to twos footy as none appear to be part of our future.

Make this pain worth it Blues. Having a middle aged team get beat up week after week sucks. We sit comfortably in the bottom 4. The middle agers aren't cutting it.

and vring in Cripps and Grahaam plus Holman and Temay

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you don't just give games unless you deserve it and work for it plus you wont develop playing senior footy. If bootsma watson and co can't break into the seniors then they shouldn't even be on the list its bad management.

That's a fair comment but I'd bet that there are any number of senior players that could be named at present as not deserving a senior game. Don't want to focus on Scotland alone, but as an example why did we retain him as a rookie? He has been a great servant of the club but his kicking penetration left him last year and what limited pace he has is gone. Let him work and develop kids for senior footy in the twos. Being in the ones simply robs us of the opportunity to develop someone else.

If you don't try them at senior level you don't know. We don't need them all at once but IMO we need to work through the list AND get games into those guys we think (or hope) have the ability to make it.

Gotta earn games and value the right to represent

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Philosophy fine. But you've got to show something. Watson has no physical attributes even close to that required in senior football, let alone no form. He's a no from me.

Not going to play the kids just fo the sake of it.
That's what Melbourne did for years and it go them nowhere and in need for the AFL to fund their recovery from peril.
Don't understand peoples obsession with Graham.... He's another Bell, Curnow, Ellard type.
Have been impressed with Cripps, Menzel, Buckley and Docherty. Some pretty talent ted player to moe forward with.Just need to develop them right, and add some key position talent in coming drafts.

Right now, our Recruitment and Development Dept is a total joke. We re stick in the 90s/ early 2000s
The new Prez must commit massive funds and a huge restructure and expansion of this area.
Its our only hope.

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I am all for playing the kids, but the kids are either too far away from AFL standard or simply not good enough.

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Zsa Zsa? Is that you?

hahaha

i bet she was hot when she was 18

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FWIW I don't propose playing kids for the sake of it or exclusively but I do think that we must promote kids into the ones to play in place of guys that are not the future: i.e. Graham/Holman for McLean, Cripps for Scotland etc.

Our development of kids has been poor for a long time and it is hard to escape the belief that they are just rotting in the twos.

We also need to stop this practice of bringing injured players back through the ones. Make players get match practice and earn their spot (Judd, Bell and Carazzo being recent examples)

no Cripps Holman Graham for McLean
just one

and nobody for scotland... maybe yarran

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as opposed to what the current group are doing? I generally agree with the comment but the current players aren't worth it either.

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The philosophy of playing kids needs to change
Play Graham, Cripps for a month. And dont play Menzel as the sub.

Somehow promote Blaine Johnson. he seems to have the tools to play AFL. pace and intensity.
Play Giles, Holman Temay, Reynolds for extended periods in the ones this season. What have you got to lose.


Even the most ardent ,blinkered, one eyed supporter would concede now that we are clearly not up to a top eight standard which I said in the summer. More like bottom six.
The argument for playing kids is that so many of the team that played last night are simply not good enough.
So to the supporters who have the view we don't play kids till they deserve the right to play, think about what your saying. The guys who have played a couple of years or more of senior footy don't deserve a game either and we aren't going anywhere forward with this playing group like we haven't been going forward for going on 15 years now.
Think about a guy like Rohan Kerr who never crack it for a senior game. Yes his form didn't warrant a promotion but the counter argument is in three years we never saw what he could do in the seniors. We never as supporters nor the match comittee found out what he was capable of doing at AFL level

The MC are a bunch of conservative wankers.
McLean
Scotland(promoted from the rookie list get flower real)
White
Rowe
Lucas

definitely are not up to it so put the pencil through them. You can play them in the seniors when the youngsters need a rest then turf them at the end of the year
Throw in a few others like Armfield , Watson, Judd (probably will retire at years end) and Waite as well.

Then trades
Gartlett offer him to Freo who need another goal kicker and try and get a second round pick. Gartlett was pathetic last night. He might be a good fit for Freo but not us. Some of his tackling in the midfield was laughable.

Gibbs was typical Gibbsy last night. Great early then Collingwood assumed control and he went MIA as he always does when the game becomes hot. He isn't a leader on the field . but he is a talented footballer who would be very handy for one of the Adelaide teams that have better players who are leaders. Gibbs gets found out at our club in big games. Get a top priority pick for him.
Warnock. Despite improved form I don't rate him. He is a dinasour , offers little physical presence, cant take a pack mark. You could get a second round pick for him. GWS maybe

Walker makes too many dumb decisions like last night. A team looking for a third tall in the forward line who are knocking or are at the top four door may be interested and a top 20 pick may happen

The club must embrace a new culture of two steps back one step forward.
Make Daisy the last stupid price tag decision as well. I am well and truly over that shit.

MM needs to do it and he would be reluctant to because he is an egotistical cauliflower who wouldn't want to have his great coaching record tainted by thumpings which will happen as the rebuild begins.


The Carlton Footy Club have never gone down this path because of its own arrogance.
Its time we did it. Everbody knows it because the proof was in the pudding last night.
And the only good thing about this year is Dylan Buckley

...and that's probably because of what his dad tells him pre-match, and not what the coach instructs.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Just watching the twos where a team of pub brawlers are doing a number on us atm

We need a miracle worker to get something out of most of them...

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It's worth noting that not many Magoos watchers were bullish about Buckley last year and many thought he should be delisted.

He's about the only thing we've have to rave about this year. Because he got a chance!

plus he got moved to a position that suited him better.

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..not yet, I reckon he could get a run through the middle as of next season.. ..if Yarran played like buckle has shown this year, he would be elite and a Charlie favourite.. ..good thing is, I firmly believe Yarran is finally beginning to understand and appreciate what it takes.. ..i'm not a huge follower of vfl form.. ..plenty of players dominate vfl and fall short of afl quality, plenty of players misfire in the vfl and are far better at senior level.. ..in regards to Buckley, he always had it, but was young and undersized and just needed to get ready to be able to physically compete in the afl for an entire match.. ..but I reckon he can play almost anywhere, cos he's an old fashioned footballer with modern skills and pace to burn, and cos he wants it.. ..every match he's got the fever..

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Our decision-makers would read the OP and come to the conclusion that in the offseason we need to throw shitloads of cash at Pavlich...

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