not many

Murphy
Buckley
menzel
henderson
docerty
cripps
levi
yarran

Same.
I'd add Simmo.

It's a shame they're probably our only players with any trade value.

No one will give us anything worthwhile for any of the others. Maybe Kreuzer.

i thought about simmo but sadly i dont think he will be there when we are back up again near the top

big call on Levi, nice work.

if he can correct his kicking and this is a monstrous if, he will be a star

I agree with Buckley too, he is Carlton old skool, his passion is worth more than Gibbs' skill any day.

i'd also throw in Waite - aint nobody gonna touch him..

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my last one was rubbish

Doesn't come any bigger.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

No one should be classed as untouchable. At the end of the year we should have everyone on the table. We need to be aggressive in our trading. We need good young talent and we need to dramatically turn the list over.

If we can complete a few good deals, get 4-5 picks inside Top 25 things and belief can turn around quickly.

This year's draft is the first uncompromised in years and apparently has some really good tall talent that will go in the top 10.

Let Gibbs go to Adelaide and get a Top 10 pick. That would give us TWO Top 10 picks and salary cap room.
Trade Yarran and we could get a Top 20 pick.
What's Kruezer worth? Jamison?
If a club comes to us with 2 top 20 picks for Henderson is it worth it?
Would a WCE trade a Top 30 pick for Garlett?

We are a long way off a Premiership list and we need to be smart and aggressive. Saying that players are "untouchable" is just more mediocrity and not taking our situation seriously.

As for the list. Docherty, Buckley, Cripps, Menzel are the future. Yarran, Levi aren't and will not be part of our next Premiership team. That needs to be the focus.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Agree with your sentiments as we have no choice, otherwise it's perpetual mediocrity

Not sure about your call on Yarran, he has been good this year, has some upside and is still young

Although it depends on what other clubs would offer

No way should we consider offloading Henderson as you can build teams around players like him (and they are hard to find)

Too late with Kreuzer as has got limited value so might as well keep

Get rid of Garlett. Like Betts are the ultimate front runners and don't perform when truly required against good teams.

I know I'm in the minority on this but I don't see it. He is 23 and nearly 100 games into his career. For the majority of running players they are in their prime and from this point their improvement is limited. It becomes more about consistency.

He is lazy. The Melbourne game did it for me. He ran into space got the ball, looked good, and then turned it over. Numerous times.

His disposal efficiency is very poor but people say his kicking is elite? How many good 4 qtr games has he played out of 100. How many against quality opposition?

It's players like Yarran and Gibbs that are a reflection of our current situation. Look good in space and when given freedom but under quality pressure they struggle and go missing. They will NOT take us back to the top because they aren't not 4 qtr players and never will be. It's that simple.

If a pick inside top 30 came for him I'd jump at it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

... and guys like Yarran and Gibbs are worth something to other clubs. Even Jamison would be worth a late rounder to a team looking for the last piece to compete for a GF ala Lake & Hawthorn.

I'd imagine teams would want to see Kreuzer go a full season without a serious injury before they even contemplated his worth.

Buckley, Henderson, Menzel and Docherty (based on one game, I know, but it shows our/ my desperation) are probably the only guys I'm interested in keeping around. Crisps is a maybe. So far he's shown a bit, but I'm more impressed with his intangibles at this point.

Giving the reggies a rev y'day when they were going half-hearted. Giving 206 a spray for not running back into a defensive position against Richmond ... those kind of things.

Essentially I agree that no one should be classified as untouchable... in our predicament everyone should be classified as tradeable, for the right deal.

But in saying that, you cant cut off the nose to spite the face in the process. For example, what's the value in trading Jamison when we don't have anyone coming though the reserves or can't trade for a player to replace him. Due to our drafting and development ineptness, some players are more valuable for the position they play rather than skill set.

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

Yarran + Walker for another top 10 pick.

..its about trade value yes, but if you get rid of players with heart, and keep fakers, team culture suffers even more.... ..you have to balance trade value with 'finals footy' types.... ..you must keep the players with heart and soul, e.g krooz will get you value but you will miss his G&D that turns up every game, fights all game no matter the score.. ..cos the fresh talent we need to bring in MUST be surrounded by 'finals footy' types, or it's a wasted exercise.. ....we've brought in some fresh talent, they learned off suspect leaders, and now we have to try again..

..it's not as simple to just put everyone on the table, and while I believe that if the offer is fantastically in your favour, which is highly doubtful now Voss isn't a coach, that if it's in your favour sure consider the trade.... ..but most definitely move certain players like hendo down the list cos he is the rare type you build a team around..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

well you wouldn't replace someone with 'heart' with someone with 'no heart', would you

EVERY player has a value

..except it isn't as simple as that..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

That was my list.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Everyone is tradeable for the right price.
Hammer for 2nd rounder....suddenly looks like genius

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

Pick 32 for everitt and 39 giles is likely genius

I have a slightly different take on it...unfortunately this isn't fantasy world - this is contact reality - and while I think a player such as Carrazzo is dead wood and is done as a footballer at this level - he has another year remaining on a contract that we simply can't afford to pay out.

Andrew Walker
Troy Menzel
Marc Murphy
Kade Simpson
Dylan Buckley
Matthew Kreuzer
Matthew Watson
Robert Warnock
Chris Yarran
Sam Docherty
Patrick Cripps
Cameron Giles
Nick Holman
Lachlan Henderson
Tom Bell
Jarrad Waite
Nicholas Graham
Edward Curnow
Dale Thomas
Michael Jamison
Levi Casboult
Zach Tuohy
Andrew Carrazzo

ok...so you'd have noticed Gibbs, Judd and Garlett have gone. Waite is still there because there's no reason why he should retire. One year deal while another young forward comes through and the club should snare one with an early pick from either ladder position and/or Gibbs compo.

The others are probably contract decisions and therefore untouchable. Tuohy for instance is contracted through 2016! Watson, Carrazzo and Kreuzer 2015. There's enough there to work with providing we get some pace and kids with footy smarts through draft or trade.

Any idea how much money Gibbs, Judd & Garlett free up? Then the following year, Carrots, Kreuzer, Jamison, Watson etc ...

Within two years we can turn this ship around as far as the roster goes.