How many of you have seen the Liverpool documentary from a few years ago about Brendan Rogers and what he was all about and how things where at Liverpool?

There are similar parallels between these two great clubs.

Liverpool, like Carlton at the moment, where all over the shop, missed Champions leagues, falling behind the others who are far more "marketing savvy", were not doing anything on or off the park, and by and large living of glory from many seasons ago and the passion of long time fans. There squad probably wasn't in the shape we currently find ourselves, but none the less they weren't doing anything with what they had.

the process they went through is something Carlton should emulate.

The club started with a new board and it all worked from there.

They got the right people in to run the club, they got the right people in to positions to improve the club, they got the right manager to take them further, they developed youth (combined with getting the right players in) ... they have rebuilt from a very lean place and now on the verge of the holy grail

my point is, don't tell me it cant be done and it cant be turned around. Liverpool is all the proof you need to see it can be done and con be done quickly, but it all starts at board level, with the right people and it trickles down from there.

I kjnow its probably another topic of a similar nature to many already on this forum, but I felt, considering our plight currently, the plight of Liverpool just a few short years ago, its a scenario that we should be looking to as an example of what to do to more forward.

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Where's the I hate Liverpool option???

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I'm an Arsenal fan but was thinking the same thing watching the Liverpool game last night, and imagining when/if Carlton do become successful again just how massive it will be.

But yes Liverpool eventually had to admit where they were at and do things properly from the ground up.

Right people in charge who care about the club but aren't stuck in the past and want to do things the best way possible, that's what we need. Young hungry manager wanting to make his own history helps too.

All I can say is thank god for Liverpool!! They are playing inspired football and are giving me something to cheer about, unlike Carlton

I'm a big fan of them and they are on the cuff of EPL glory - its been a long time between drinks (same as Carlton). They have their shit together and Rogers is clearly a big part of that. I would suggest that the team he has and the club are mmore willing to accept his recommendations than Malthouse and the CFC board, and thats a big issue.

If, as the media suggests there is a push to clean up the board etc, I really hope it happens. IMO its critical to get your foundation management of the club right and everything else moves positively from there.

In the meantime, as sad as it for me to say it, I have lost all my passion for Carlton and until they start giving a shit and play proper footy, that is going to remain.

YNWA

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I am a Liverpool fan myself, and I was estatic with the game last night (and the season for what its worth) but ive been thinking it for a while.

Liverpool is the perfect example for Carlton to emulate and they need to go down a very similar path (IMO) to rise to the top once again. The parallels are identical.

They could do worse than watch the doco as a point of reference.

I should add though, one glaring difference between the two is the Captain. Stevie G is a true leader in every sense of the word. He both leads by example, ethic and approach, on and off the pitch. Many kids would come to the club "living the dream" with him as captain.

Who is the player that many would look to? Hate to say it, its Judd and only Judd, but Judd unlike Stevie G isn't interested in it (which is Judds absolute right) ... this is a big hole which needs to be sorted as well.

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I hate Liverpool (Spurs fan) but their title drought is 24 years, so we have at least another five ahead of us yet.

There are similarities though.

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I see zero similarities. Let's start (and perhaps we should end) with Liverpool's valuation of around $700 million.



Please let's not compare wealthy EPL organizations to an AFL side.

The thing is....

The players have to buy into the game plan, and if they don't, you have to take time and get players in who are capable of executing it.

At Liverpool, Rogers mad some big calls early on, and wasn't afraid to get rid of players like Carroll and Downing, who even though he knew they d cost the Club big coin, knew that they did not fit into the puzzle.
Mick should make these calls at the end of the year. If Gibbs wants to chase the money and make demands on the Club, let him leave. We re better off without him in the long run.
Any player who wants to sook it up, or doesn't want to be here, can also go.

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if you cant see the comparisons of where Liverpool were 3 years ago to where they are today, then you need to get your eyes checked.

to dismiss their improvement as nothing more than "a rich EPL" club then you are just showing your ignorance. they have improved their position as a club by shrewd appointments, shrewd developments etc.. not flashed the clash like you would like to suggest just cause of their market value.

There value is all relative. Do EPL and AFL compete on a financial level, not at all, but when you compare what Liverpool have done, as opposed to the way Manchester City or Chelsea have doneand gone about the same thing, then absolutely Liverpool is the perfect example to emulate.

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Couldn't agree more about the difference in the two captains

watch a movie called "Damned united" that basically sums up our last 20 years of culture

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Take the @#$%&! blinkers off! Liverpool would have done exactly the same thing as Man City and Chelsea had they not incurred the wrath of UEFA's financial fair play rules. You had to curb your spending otherwise you wouldn't be playing Champions League in the future. All of the 231 clubs taking part this season had to provide UEFA with their accounts for the two previous years (2011/12 and 2012/13).

As Liverpool didn’t take part in the competition, they were not required to submit their accounts and cannot be punished this year. If Liverpool’s accounts had been assessed this season, they would certainly have failed the FFP "break-even" test and would have imposed a salary cap on their registered UEFA squad.

It's very easy for Paul Rodgers to then say 'it's all about belief in the system and excellent man-management which is worth more than spending a fortune on players'....that's just PR spin. If you believe it as a supporter - he has succeeded. He's a good manager - but he's in the right place at the right time. Look at it as success due to the failure if you like.

Anything else I should compare Liverpool to Carlton with? Can we get LeBron to invest in Carlton?

Hate those "#%$#*^% Scousers Theives...." How can you put them on the same page as Carlton?????? Disgusting Worse than Essendon* Scousers.....SCuM Of THE EARth

Did you see how many Penalty's they fake?....How many they shoul concede but dont....How the whole media loves em.......OOOOHHHHH Essendon* all over CHEATING Bastereds

I'm a big believer in Brendan Rogers people skills. If you've ever watched Being Liverpool it's not hard to be captivated by his Management style, also the ability he has to deliver a clear simple message is underrated.

He is responsible for our position today, shrewd signings based on his needs and trust in blooding youngsters namely Flanagan and Stirling into the first team squad. He has the team playing with confidence and the traditional Liverpool way, he has captured the supporters too, whether that is PR who knows, but if you want to survive at Liverpool you win the supporters hearts.

The fair play rules are a bit more complex. We would've passed, can't remember the reason but I'll try to find the article. If you look at the reduction in wages at Liverpool it has been significant when compared to the talent and performances (This is where Carlton needs to take note and look at a similar model IMO). Don't read into the gross vs net spend, both are flawed arguments.

Obviously I compare the two clubs together as I support both, although Liverpool are so much better and have drawn me in more than Carlton the past few years. It really is a cultural experience you buy into, that is what is missing at Carlton, I actually feel closer to Liverpool than Carlton even with the Geographical difference.

The Supporter group Spirit of Shankly is also something Carlton could look at for Supporter engagement.

Double post

exactly.

And "Being Liverpool" is what I was referring too. Its even more impressive now (and I was fascinated by it the first time I saw it) considering what was said in that, and the Liverpool you see today. Its an amazing turn around.

something Carlton could and should take a lesson from.

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You mean like a Supporter Alliance? Wow - wonder why no one has heard of that before?

Just when I thought things couldn't get worse... I log on here and find Carlton being compared to Liverpool!

Even Fev in his boofish prime was not the disgusting animal Suarez is.

If Carlton can play with 10% of the effort and heart that Liverpool are i'd be more than happy.


Right now, as it stands, i wouldn't even put us in the same sentence as Liverpool.

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