Make sure you include tackles, shepherds, acts of physical pressure, one-percenters. I doubt the list will be long for either Warnock or Kreuzer. Contested mark figures too would be handy.

Here is a list of premiership ruckmen regarding tackling:

Brad Ottens - 2011 grand final 5 tackles
Darren Jolly - 2010 grand final 4 tackles
Brad Ottens - 2007 grand final 3 tackles.
Max Bailey - 2013 grand final 3 tackles
David Hale - 2013 grand final 2 tackles.

These premiership players were willing to tackle and apply physical pressure. Kreuzer 0 tackles on the weekend.

Justin Madden - 1995 grand final 15 possessions, 1 goal, 4 marks.

If any current Carlton ruckman can dominate the hit-outs, get 15 possessions, at least 1 goal, at least 3 contested marks and say 2-3 tackles in a match - it will be a miracle...and they should be given a red carpet limousine ride to the ground every match, free dining at Quaff for a year and free champagne for a decade.

Something out of left field.

Put up both Kreuzer and Warnock for trade at the end of the year for early draft picks which everyone agrees we need.

Wood we use as an interim ruckman for the next 2 -4 years as we groom another young ruckman or wait to buy one to take over. He looked impressive in the pre-season.

..added what I could that you asked for.. ..krooz was obviously underdone, but if you think he lacks physical presence you are flat out wrong.. ..last season he avg'd a bit over 4 tackles a game and a bit over 3 marks a game which puts him in top bracket of ruckman, no ruck avg'd more than the 3 contested mark a game you demand, in fact it was only Pyke that avg'd over 2 contested marks a game and even then it was 2.1.. ..krooz was equal highest with goal assists avg as well as top for one percenters and is top bracket for contested marking and marking i50..

I don't care which ruckman steps up to be number 1- Kreuzer, Warnock, Wood or Casboult or whatever combination they go with, but time is running out in experimenting. Get it sorted. Kick goals, be effective, Malthouse shouldn't get out-foxed by teams that select one ruckman - eg Port - and then wonder why they have more run in the last quarter. Think about what are the minimum benchmarks required. For Kreuzer - I agree that he has to have a second string to his bow as his rucking isn't good enough when compared to Minson and the like.

..yanno, I'm curious where all the ppl that have claimed knockers to be a dominant and best skilled tap ruckman have gone..

Kreuzer excelled when playing as the Blues' sole ruckman from Rounds 10-18, averaging 119 Champion Data ranking points per game - the most of any ruckman. He averaged the third-most hitouts in the competition in this time and recorded the ninth-highest hitout-to-advantage rate of the top 20. His ruck work as a whole is not as effective as Robbie Warnock's. Kreuzer finished with fewer hitouts per game than Warnock who also recorded an elite winning percentage while Kreuzer remained above average.

When he played, Warnock displayed his superb skills as a tap ruckman, ranking elite for hitouts, hitouts-to-advantage and recording the best winning rate of any ruckman in the league. Despite sharing ruck duties with Matthew Kreuzer, Warnock averaged 9.3 hitouts to advantage per game, only behind permanent No.1 ruckmen Minson and Goldstein.

..poor game from knockers, no real competition in the ruck but killed outside the tap..

..specialised rucks no longer part of modern game, no place for a tap specialist in our team until we are top four worthy, up until then you need more much more from your ruck unless rest of team is ace and firing consistently..,