Could have been a better choice of headline - but I suppose like all our young players under the Carlton Player Development Program they really ARE going nowhere.
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| Author: | Rexy [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-11/i ... re-kreuzer |
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| Author: | camel [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. The romantic in me wants him to stay for his full career. Aside from that I just want to see the club competing for flags again. So I'm happy to adopt a needs must approach, if that means some favourite sons make way for a believable and serious approach at rounding out our playing list I'll have to accept that. |
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| Author: | bluegirl72 [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
me too. |
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| Author: | 2ndeffort [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
I wonder if Josh Kennedy would have said the same at this stage of the season several years ago! |
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| Author: | Scotty12000 [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Carlton media translator = gawn |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Doesnt really mean anaything.., Sticks Kernahan says the same thing and he might survive... I know who id like to stay and wo id like to leave us. |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Could have been a better choice of headline - but I suppose like all our young players under the Carlton Player Development Program they really ARE going nowhere.
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| Author: | missnaut [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
AGRO wrote: Could have been a better choice of headline - but I suppose like all our young players under the Carlton Player Development Program they really ARE going nowhere. Sad but I thought the same thing. |
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| Author: | DoublebluMots2 [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:15 pm ] |
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Yes i was thinking "Kreuz, you and your teammates are suppose to take us to the premiership. Not nowhere! That's how you're suppose to be thinking!" |
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| Author: | Kouta [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
2ndeffort wrote: I wonder if Josh Kennedy would have said the same at this stage of the season several years ago! Think JK was traded for someone called Judd. A player is within their rights to say no if we want to dump them for another untried player. Croad is the only example I can think of a club moving on a quality young player for picks. Kreuzer isn't a total @#$%&! up like Fevola who needed to be moved on. Extra money isn't a motivation for Kreuzer who knocked back their offer to stay in Victoria. He'll stay. |
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| Author: | Kouta [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
camelboy wrote: Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. The romantic in me wants him to stay for his full career. Aside from that I just want to see the club competing for flags again. So I'm happy to adopt a needs must approach, if that means some favourite sons make way for a believable and serious approach at rounding out our playing list I'll have to accept that. You round out your list by getting more picks and improving your bottom end. Not a lot separating pick two or 3 from picks in the top ten or top twenty. Every side has quality players and young stars, but you need to trade well and hit the mark with your second and third round picks to be great. Sydney went to the next level after smashing their trades and drafts since 2007. Johnston, Hanneberry and Pyke Kennedy, McGlynn, Rohan, Mumford, Jetta, Reid, Seaby and Bradshaw Lamb, Parker and Johnson Mitchell, Lockyer, Brown, Armstong, Morton and Walsh Tippett, Towers, Marsh, Membrey and Dick All in spite of Roos trying to upgrade picks to get Dustin Martin and pick six from Carlton for O'Keeffe. There's more than one way to skin a cat. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Kouta wrote: camelboy wrote: Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. The romantic in me wants him to stay for his full career. Aside from that I just want to see the club competing for flags again. So I'm happy to adopt a needs must approach, if that means some favourite sons make way for a believable and serious approach at rounding out our playing list I'll have to accept that. You round out your list by getting more picks and improving your bottom end. Not a lot separating pick two or 3 from picks in the top ten or top twenty. Every side has quality players and young stars, but you need to trade well and hit the mark with your second and third round picks to be great. Sydney went to the next level after smashing their trades and drafts since 2007. Johnston, Hanneberry and Pyke Kennedy, McGlynn, Rohan, Mumford, Jetta, Reid, Seaby and Bradshaw Lamb, Parker and Johnson Mitchell, Lockyer, Brown, Armstong, Morton and Walsh Tippett, Towers, Marsh, Membrey and Dick All in spite of Roos trying to upgrade picks to get Dustin Martin and pick six from Carlton for O'Keeffe. There's more than one way to skin a cat. the only cats im interested in skinning are the Kardinia park variety..... I just want this club to understand football and the kinds of players required.... So far were the ones being skinned.... |
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| Author: | DocSherrin III [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:19 pm ] |
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camelboy wrote: Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. In actual fact - it kind of is...he's contracted until 2015. Anyway...they're going to have to come up with someone else (plus our first rounder) if they still want Boyd. |
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| Author: | Punter22 [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Well I've given my untouchable list. If Yarran + 1st rounder gets it done, then get it done. Gibbs I could just about talk myself in to. Although I wouldn't give up Gibbs plus our first. Kreuzer plus a first I would do in a heartbeat. |
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| Author: | Bigredisback [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:48 pm ] |
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DocSherrin wrote: camelboy wrote: Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. In actual fact - it kind of is...he's contracted until 2015. Anyway...they're going to have to come up with someone else (plus our first rounder) if they still want Boyd. If mick says your going your going |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Punter22 wrote: Well I've given my untouchable list. If Yarran + 1st rounder gets it done, then get it done. Gibbs I could just about talk myself in to. Although I wouldn't give up Gibbs plus our first. Kreuzer plus a first I would do in a heartbeat. interesting views Punter, glad you're not making the decisions though. I agree with your first point only. |
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| Author: | Mosquito Fleet [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Sorry Kruez.... Unless you can take 4 of the next 8 games by the scruff of the neck and win a game for us, then..... |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Bigredisback wrote: DocSherrin wrote: camelboy wrote: Unfortunately for Kreuz, it might not be up to him. In actual fact - it kind of is...he's contracted until 2015. Anyway...they're going to have to come up with someone else (plus our first rounder) if they still want Boyd. If mick says your going your going Mick doesnt make the rules. If Kreuz wants to stay. He stays. |
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| Author: | Punter22 [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
I like all the players I mentioned kk, and wouldn't be disappointed if they stayed. But to steal a phrase from an american writer - From the GWS point of view, 4 quarters will not make a dollar in this trade. they will want a premium returns for that pick - player and pick(s). There will be no hoodwinking. No 3 or 4 player smorgasboard of average junk who couldn't help take us anywhere with a lower round pick thrown in. If we are all in on Boyd, it will require that level of pain. Although having used that word, I don't think the pain would be severe if we shipped Yarran or Kreuzer. Kreuzer might be better than our other ruckmen, but no-one can say definitively that he is or will be. fact is right now he's a nice, average to above average player and nothing more. for all his effort, how does his work on the ground actually deliver beyond keeping him in the TV screen a bit longer than other ruckmen? Effort is great but at some point I want to see him tangibly, unequivocally impact a game for us. Frankly if I were GWS I wouldn't take Kreuzer and a 1st for boyd, but maybe they would. Yarran's even more straightforward, not even worth talking about. I think GWS would be even less inclined to take him plus a first for Boyd. Frankly I'm over our players providing the odd nice moment or even nice game. This lot are good enough to keep us interested, but nowhere good enough to deliver anything of substance to the club. A bit of brutality at this point is in order. |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I'm going nowhere, says Kreuzer |
Mosquito Fleet wrote: Sorry Kruez.... Unless you can take 4 of the next 8 games by the scruff of the neck and win a game for us, then..... all on him is it??? sub his name for Malthouse |
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