Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
Yes, Ratten and Synbad have a lot in common
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| Author: | padre [ Sun May 26, 2013 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Micks favourites |
He is well known to have developed favourites in the past. Players that on first look arent the most obviously selected. Usually they become much greater players under mick, some are always giving some debate within the supporter group as to why they are always picked. Ok its round 9. Injuries and limited rounds played means that this list is still a work in progress. But i believe that there is enough to give us an idea. I would like to point out that this is NOT meant to point out the obvious players, the ones that any coach would select due to sheer tallent. It is meant to give an idea of the players currently being moulded into regular afl players by mick, by the following Instilling Belief and confidence Persistence with a player Change of or identifying a role. For discussion purposes i am going to eliminate from nomination the following players, who most would believe at the start of the season were already walk up starts . 13 players. Our core playing group. Walker Murphy Gibbs Judd Simpson Kreuzer Yarran Betts Henderson Scotland Waite Jamieson Carazzo Group A : players that mick has tried, and they have shown already that they are the type that mick likes and wants. He has persisted with them and they seem to be locks for team selection at the moment. 9 players Lucas Robinson Mclean Armfield Garlett Tuohy White Curnow Cachia. His role on moloney v brisbane. Mick kept him on brent despite 2 quarter Group b :players that are being sifted and sorted through trial and error. Significant number to be promoted to group a by years end.some may already be there eg warnock hampson bell. Warnock Rowe Hampson Bootsma Casboult Joseph Ellard Bell Group c : players that are clearly out of favour. Watson Laidler redefining his role as a forward? Mccarthy Mitchel ? Duigan speed an issue? Group d :players who are untried due to fitness or fragility or rookie list . suspect menzel and mcinnes will eventually move to group a . Menzel Buckley Temay Mcinnes Davies Graham Collins Okeefe Dale I would like to think that by years end that the number of players in group a will have expanded significantly. I think the malthouse philosophy is; try them this year, give them a chance, and then either delist or trade for need. This is in contrast to ratten who kept 4 rucks for too long for example. Mick will be particularly keen to have decided by years end on: 1. our rucks . 2. our key forwards Currently there are 22 players in the combined core+group a. Another 3-4 from group b by years end Another 1-2 from group c Another 2-3 from group d So by years end we will have a good idea about micks team. 28-30 players who either pick themselves or have become entrenched favorites of mick. The other 14 have to reveal themselves as either worthy of a second chance or Will be moved on. I open the discussion to all about the validity of the groups and the names within...... |
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| Author: | BIRDTOWN [ Sun May 26, 2013 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
padre wrote: Group c : players that are clearly out of favour. Watson Laidler redefining his role as a forward? Mccarthy Mitchel ? Duigan speed an issue? Group d :players who are untried due to fitness or fragility or rookie list . suspect menzel and mcinnes will eventually move to group a . Menzel Buckley Temay Mcinnes Davies Graham Collins Okeefe Dale I would like to think that by years end that the number of players in group a will have expanded significantly. I think the malthouse philosophy is; try them this year, give them a chance, and then either delist or trade for need. This is in contrast to ratten who kept 4 rucks for too long for example. Mick will be particularly keen to have decided by years end on: 1. our rucks . 2. our key forwards Currently there are 22 players in the combined core+group a. Another 3-4 from group b by years end Another 1-2 from group c Another 2-3 from group d So by years end we will have a good idea about micks team. 28-30 players who either pick themselves or have become entrenched favorites of mick. The other 14 have to reveal themselves as either worthy of a second chance or Will be moved on. I open the discussion to all about the validity of the groups and the names within...... Laidler as tried but out of sorts (maybe getting close again, emergency). Talk of Watson pre-season as a back line weapon with his boot but seemed to lose everything gained with his performance in the NAB Cup vs GWS. Mitchell still has to get games into him, VFL level is enough for the moment. Hopefully not out of favour but more to go back in the 2nds and work on deficiencies & improve strengths. Think all players will get a guernsey this year (not necessarily Temay, McInnes, Graham & how they go from return from injury, and O'Keefe and maybe Collins) to be assessed under AFL pressure. |
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| Author: | Stefchook [ Sun May 26, 2013 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Every coach has its favourites. Really showing faith in Lucas, Warnock and Cachia. |
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| Author: | Bigredisback [ Sun May 26, 2013 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Micks favourites |
Stefchook wrote: Every coach has its favourites. Really showing faith in Lucas, Warnock and Cachia. Re Lucas pretty easy to show faith in a goal kicking , quick young kid Shame ratten couldn't see what most others can |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Sun May 26, 2013 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Yes, Ratten and Synbad have a lot in common. Is the team really that different though? Even MM has tried the 3-ruck team; we're still struggling up forward with or without Waite. The main difference probably is a settled and more seasoned defence with Simpson and Gibbs sharing a lot of work down there... Seriously for Lucas though given the past 2 years he needed to be given a stretch of games to see if he was worth it, and he's coming through well. Did we ever really have the chance to do that in 2012? |
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| Author: | Michael Jezz [ Sun May 26, 2013 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Ando the Wonderkid wrote: Yes, Ratten and Synbad have a lot in common. Is the team really that different though? Even MM has tried the 3-ruck team; we're still struggling up forward with or without Waite. The main difference probably is a settled and more seasoned defence with Simpson and Gibbs sharing a lot of work down there... Seriously for Lucas though given the past 2 years he needed to be given a stretch of games to see if he was worth it, and he's coming through well. Did we ever really have the chance to do that in 2012? Team is totally different Warnock first ruck Walker moved back Yarran moved forward Light bodied players replaced by bigger bodies in the midfield Less midfield time for Murphy and Simpson and more for bell Dacia mclean |
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Sun May 26, 2013 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Ando the Wonderkid wrote: Yes, Ratten and Synbad have a lot in common
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Sun May 26, 2013 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Ando the Wonderkid wrote: Is the team really that different though? Even MM has tried the 3-ruck team; we're still struggling up forward with or without Waite. The main difference probably is a settled and more seasoned defence with Simpson and Gibbs sharing a lot of work down there... Seriously for Lucas though given the past 2 years he needed to be given a stretch of games to see if he was worth it, and he's coming through well. Did we ever really have the chance to do that in 2012? Yes, the team is very different from last year. The fact half of our players are available and not on the injury list might have something to do with it. But lets not miss the opportunity to pretend Warnock as a ruckman is a brilliant tactical manouevre.  Lets be serious. The boys are playing some reasonable footy and hopefully they'll all continue to develop. It has very little to do with being the "coaches favourite" If a player is motivated or improves his output because the coach likes him, he probably doesnt have the mental application required anyway. |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Sun May 26, 2013 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
I get the injury list in 2012 bit but still don't think the playing personnel are that different. Players in for last night's game v. our last 2012 fixture against the Lions: 2012 - Watson, zero games in 2013 - Yarran, injured for last night - Betts, suspended for last night - Casboult, in the 2's - McInnes, injured for last night - O'Keeffe 2013 - In - Warnock - Judd, mainstay in both season - Lucas - Cachia - Bootsma - Jamison So yes in 2013 we benefit from Warnock and Jamison being fit, Judd not being suspended, and there are a few others in, but I wouldn't say it's that dramatic from any other week to week proposition. The list is pretty similar year on year and the playing list in the firsts is pretty similar. |
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| Author: | club29 [ Sun May 26, 2013 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Bigredisback wrote: Stefchook wrote: Every coach has its favourites. Really showing faith in Lucas, Warnock and Cachia. Re Lucas pretty easy to show faith in a goal kicking , quick young kid Shame ratten couldn't see what most others can Come on Bigredisback. Blaming Ratten for Lucas poor start to his career is a bit of stretch. Ratts loved him at first and gave him every chance. Then he got injured and injured again before getting injured. Then he had to learn how to run again with a different gait. One that would not get him injured. Then he had to re learn how to kick a drop punt. If you had watched Lucas in the twos last year you would not be saying what you said in that post. Good on him for getting it right and clinging to his spot in the team. He has some good aspects to his game along with some aspects that really need improving. As an exercise why don't you go through his career to date week by week and write a little report for yourself. Tell us your findings. |
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| Author: | BigKev [ Sun May 26, 2013 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Can't really argue much at all with your assessment. Nice thread. 
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| Author: | dane [ Mon May 27, 2013 12:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Micks favourites |
What is this positivity bullshit? Get with the program. |
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| Author: | dooky [ Mon May 27, 2013 12:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
In terms of personal favourites I think that Jeffy Garlett is Mick's Daisy Thomas at Carlton. I know that Jeffy is the one that has kick to kick with him in the rooms before the match and I also recall in one of the 'No Limits' videos Mick at training telling Eddie how he thought Jeff lacked abit of confidence and had to back himself more. Smart move by Mick to point Jeff out in particular as a favourite considering the well known personal issues he had to deal with last year. Say what you like about Mick but he is a father figure to these boys, something Ratten could never emulate. |
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| Author: | padre [ Mon May 27, 2013 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Micks favourites |
Yes it is very much a garlett type player that i ad in mind for group a. He has really thrived under mick with the belief in himself that mick as instilled. |
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| Author: | The Blueseum [ Wed May 29, 2013 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Ando the Wonderkid wrote: I get the injury list in 2012 bit but still don't think the playing personnel are that different. Players in for last night's game v. our last 2012 fixture against the Lions: 2012 - Watson, zero games in 2013 - Yarran, injured for last night - Betts, suspended for last night - Casboult, in the 2's - McInnes, injured for last night - O'Keeffe 2013 - In - Warnock - Judd, mainstay in both season - Lucas - Cachia - Bootsma - Jamison So yes in 2013 we benefit from Warnock and Jamison being fit, Judd not being suspended, and there are a few others in, but I wouldn't say it's that dramatic from any other week to week proposition. The list is pretty similar year on year and the playing list in the firsts is pretty similar. http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %2C%202012 Only 3 weeks earlier we took on the Bulldogs and won, yet only 9 Blues from that game played against the Lions this week. From the Blueseum |
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| Author: | Bomba Sheldon [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
The Blueseum wrote: Ando the Wonderkid wrote: I get the injury list in 2012 bit but still don't think the playing personnel are that different. Players in for last night's game v. our last 2012 fixture against the Lions: 2012 - Watson, zero games in 2013 - Yarran, injured for last night - Betts, suspended for last night - Casboult, in the 2's - McInnes, injured for last night - O'Keeffe 2013 - In - Warnock - Judd, mainstay in both season - Lucas - Cachia - Bootsma - Jamison So yes in 2013 we benefit from Warnock and Jamison being fit, Judd not being suspended, and there are a few others in, but I wouldn't say it's that dramatic from any other week to week proposition. The list is pretty similar year on year and the playing list in the firsts is pretty similar. http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %2C%202012 Only 3 weeks earlier we took on the Bulldogs and won, yet only 9 Blues from that game played against the Lions this week. From the Blueseum Ah remember that night with the 3 debutants and Collo playing his best ever game for the Blues |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Micks favourites |
Bomba Sheldon wrote: The Blueseum wrote: Ando the Wonderkid wrote: I get the injury list in 2012 bit but still don't think the playing personnel are that different. Players in for last night's game v. our last 2012 fixture against the Lions: 2012 - Watson, zero games in 2013 - Yarran, injured for last night - Betts, suspended for last night - Casboult, in the 2's - McInnes, injured for last night - O'Keeffe 2013 - In - Warnock - Judd, mainstay in both season - Lucas - Cachia - Bootsma - Jamison So yes in 2013 we benefit from Warnock and Jamison being fit, Judd not being suspended, and there are a few others in, but I wouldn't say it's that dramatic from any other week to week proposition. The list is pretty similar year on year and the playing list in the firsts is pretty similar. http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %2C%202012 Only 3 weeks earlier we took on the Bulldogs and won, yet only 9 Blues from that game played against the Lions this week. From the Blueseum Ah remember that night with the 3 debutants and Collo playing his best ever game for the Blues And I believe Bower and Russell's fateful last games. |
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| Author: | The Blueseum [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Micks favourites |
Bomba Sheldon wrote: The Blueseum wrote: Ando the Wonderkid wrote: I get the injury list in 2012 bit but still don't think the playing personnel are that different. Players in for last night's game v. our last 2012 fixture against the Lions: 2012 - Watson, zero games in 2013 - Yarran, injured for last night - Betts, suspended for last night - Casboult, in the 2's - McInnes, injured for last night - O'Keeffe 2013 - In - Warnock - Judd, mainstay in both season - Lucas - Cachia - Bootsma - Jamison So yes in 2013 we benefit from Warnock and Jamison being fit, Judd not being suspended, and there are a few others in, but I wouldn't say it's that dramatic from any other week to week proposition. The list is pretty similar year on year and the playing list in the firsts is pretty similar. http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %2C%202012 Only 3 weeks earlier we took on the Bulldogs and won, yet only 9 Blues from that game played against the Lions this week. From the Blueseum Ah remember that night with the 3 debutants and Collo playing his best ever game for the Blues He was in the votes! From the Blueseum |
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