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Um, he's injured. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Jarrad pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Waite was cramping that's why he came off and mm confirmed he isn't injured

Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability.
I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started.

I think our list management is pretty average.

woof wrote:

Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple.

woof wrote:

Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple.

ThePsychologist wrote:

woof wrote:

Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple.

It is more about recruiting that type of player. We have recruited a lot of big slow forwards but no athletic forwards. Considering our team has tended to fall apart everytime he gets rubbed out or gets injured you would think it would have been a priority about 3-4 years ago. I just need you or someone else to identify who we have recruited with those qualities in the last 3-4 years?
Other than Henderson which was not planned, we wanted Rischitelli and Bradshaw, who has those attributes on our list? This is what list management is all about you would think.

woof wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

woof wrote:

Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple.

It's why Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Rowe were recruited. Okay, they haven't been great but that was the reason. If someone can stand up and hold CHB Henderson may well be the best option.

Who would you have recruited? I wanted Aaron Black ahead of Lucas in 2009.

Personally, I am a strong believer of going for the BEST player available and then trying to trade for needs.

Free agency also now gives us another avenue.

GWS & GCS are after a ruckman and some size. Hampson & Watson/Laidler for Jaksch may be worth a look?

There are also some talented kids sitting in the reserves that may thrive under MM. Names like Lycett, Butcher, White, Griffiths, Brown, Watts, Vardy etc may be worth chasing?

Author:	SHHH! [ Sun May 19, 2013 11:27 pm ]
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13ish mins into the 3rd Grabs knee Subbed at 3qtr time....?????

Author:	BIRDTOWN [ Sun May 19, 2013 11:38 pm ]
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I'm going with no. Talk of a dislocated finger - maybe around the same time?

Author:	The_Cranium [ Mon May 20, 2013 12:39 am ]
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I'm hearing 1 - 2 weeks

Author:	true_blue3 [ Mon May 20, 2013 12:49 am ]
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i saw him limp a bit when he took a mark. it looked very characteristic of cramping in the calf no signs of any knee pain whatsoever. he did hunch over soon after and had both hands on knees but that seemed to be more being out of puff after chasing and tackling a port player. he came back on 5 mins after he got his calves massaged on the bench and seemed to be moving freely. im fairly certain they took him just as a precautionary measure given all the calf trouble he's had this year.

Author:	Jack Donaghy [ Mon May 20, 2013 4:50 am ]
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was sitting very close to the bench and it seemed to me, and I even said to my mate i bet waite gets subbed, that waiter was asking to come off, or at the very least whingeing a hell of a lot to MM so it was no surprise to me. while im at it Ive been very impressed with waite for the small amount of time he's been on the field, took no time to aclimatise and is just SPECIAL, true CHF, lovely to see. absolutely love the bloke..... and I reckon he's shown that if he can somehow, beyond all wildest dreams, not get a mid-long term injury, that he'll be instrumental in any potential sept. victories. otherwise it's literally back to the drawing board. or draft. he seemed to hurt his leg or back in the first half, that's when i first started freaking out, then hurt the hand in the 3rd plus looked like he was cramping up or getting pain from whatever he hurt in the first half and came to the 3 qtr time huddle with the docs and MM and if body language is anything to go from he looked like he was saying micky I'm done for the day get me off or I'll headbutt someone

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Author:	Bigredisback [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:49 am ]
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Waite was cramping that's why he came off and mm confirmed he isn't injured

Author:	Blueboy_Dan [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:31 am ]
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Waite will be back in round 15....2014

Author:	Effes [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:07 am ]
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6646295817

Author:	camel [ Tue May 21, 2013 10:11 pm ]
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Um, he's injured. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Jarrad pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Author:	Scotty12000 [ Tue May 21, 2013 11:56 pm ]
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camelboy wrote: Um, he's injured. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Jarrad pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Author:	camel [ Wed May 22, 2013 12:03 am ]
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Haha, perfect!

Author:	Blue Vain [ Wed May 22, 2013 7:29 am ]
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Bigredisback wrote: Waite was cramping that's why he came off and mm confirmed he isn't injured Oh, that settles it then. Its not like a coach would lie about an injury.....

Author:	woof [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:09 am ]
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Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average.

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:32 am ]
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woof wrote: Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average. Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:09 am ]
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Its up to the coaches to develop our own blokes at the moment. I dont see the value in rummaging through the rubbish bins of the other clubs. (White, Griffiths, Lycett etc) We have plenty of players running around in our VFL side who were highly rated by plenty of the TC recruiting gurus The key is improving our programs to fast track their development. Our players aren't languishing because they all lack ability. It's evident the problem exists within our own structure. The role of the coaches is to transition the draftees from TAC players to consistent AFL players. Does anyone see sufficient evidence of that occurring? Until that is remedied, players bought in from other clubs with suffer the same fate IMO. As for Jaksch, If you were GWS, would you trade an 18 year old KPF, number 12 pick for a couple of blokes who are running around in someones reserves?

Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Wed May 22, 2013 1:34 pm ]
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..hampson is unco yes, but playing him as a KPF is doing him a big dis-service.. ..he could play as 1st ruck, and in that role would improve.. ..he'll not be a star, but i think he could carry ruck and be more than handy.. ....what we could get for him, is an unknown.. ..with the amount of club's circling Luey, there seems to be a big market for a quality ruck this year.. ..i don't think Luey will go, so perhaps we might be able to work something out with Hampson.. ..regarding Jaskch, would be good to chase, but i can't see a club trading a high pick kpp they only drafted in the previous year.. ..i think some of us would be happy taking GWS 2nd round pick for Hampson, which ought to be pick 19[ish].. ..would we like a 1st rounder?, yes.. ..chances of getting it?, not sure more hopeful than certain.. ..but GWS 2nd rounder is a top 20 pick [just].. .. ..if the draft is deep there could be quality, or it could be packaged for a different trade..?.. ..if the Broom does come out, trading back into the draft can be a lure all in and of itself..

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Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:44 am ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: woof wrote: Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average. Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple. ..Buddy still has years on the clock, ifr he walks they have roughy still, and gunston helps as a good marking target med fwd.. ..Pavlich will leave a big hole, shockers tried to get clarke, may be in the hunt for buddy.. ..Roo is another that will leave a gap, saints in trouble cos they need to replace most of their core group over the next few yrs.. ..walker likewise has plenty of years left, they also have jenkins/ isn't it.. ..for us, i think with white coming good, and mcinnes also showing good form last year.. ..with jamo, walker can play tall, a smart defensive set up down back with whole team defense buy in, should release hendo fwd, if we keep ignoring kpf need..

Author:	woof [ Wed May 22, 2013 9:18 am ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: woof wrote: Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average. Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple. It is more about recruiting that type of player. We have recruited a lot of big slow forwards but no athletic forwards. Considering our team has tended to fall apart everytime he gets rubbed out or gets injured you would think it would have been a priority about 3-4 years ago. I just need you or someone else to identify who we have recruited with those qualities in the last 3-4 years? Other than Henderson which was not planned, we wanted Rischitelli and Bradshaw, who has those attributes on our list? This is what list management is all about you would think.

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Wed May 22, 2013 9:43 am ]
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woof wrote: ThePsychologist wrote: woof wrote: Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average. Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple. It is more about recruiting that type of player. We have recruited a lot of big slow forwards but no athletic forwards. Considering our team has tended to fall apart everytime he gets rubbed out or gets injured you would think it would have been a priority about 3-4 years ago. I just need you or someone else to identify who we have recruited with those qualities in the last 3-4 years? Other than Henderson which was not planned, we wanted Rischitelli and Bradshaw, who has those attributes on our list? This is what list management is all about you would think. It's why Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Rowe were recruited. Okay, they haven't been great but that was the reason. If someone can stand up and hold CHB Henderson may well be the best option. Is it worth chasing James Frawley? Who would you have recruited? I wanted Aaron Black ahead of Lucas in 2009. Personally, I am a strong believer of going for the BEST player available and then trying to trade for needs. Free agency also now gives us another avenue. GWS & GCS are after a ruckman and some size. Hampson & Watson/Laidler for Jaksch may be worth a look? There are also some talented kids sitting in the reserves that may thrive under MM. Names like Lycett, Butcher, White, Griffiths, Brown, Watts, Vardy etc may be worth chasing?

Author:	woof [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:01 am ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: woof wrote: ThePsychologist wrote: woof wrote: Just on a little side note can someone tell me who is going to replace Waite when his career is over? The club should have been prepared for this for sometime due to his age and lack of reliability. I think it is pretty sad that I can't see anyone on the list that is close to having his qualities, Henderson is similar but we have to use him at the other end. I don't know if Menzel can be that type of player but he has only just started. I think our list management is pretty average. Who's going to replace Buddy, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Walker etc. It's not that simple. It is more about recruiting that type of player. We have recruited a lot of big slow forwards but no athletic forwards. Considering our team has tended to fall apart everytime he gets rubbed out or gets injured you would think it would have been a priority about 3-4 years ago. I just need you or someone else to identify who we have recruited with those qualities in the last 3-4 years? Other than Henderson which was not planned, we wanted Rischitelli and Bradshaw, who has those attributes on our list? This is what list management is all about you would think. It's why Casboult, Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Rowe were recruited. Okay, they haven't been great but that was the reason. If someone can stand up and hold CHB Henderson may well be the best option. Who would you have recruited? I wanted Aaron Black ahead of Lucas in 2009. Personally, I am a strong believer of going for the BEST player available and then trying to trade for needs. Free agency also now gives us another avenue. GWS & GCS are after a ruckman and some size. Hampson & Watson/Laidler for Jaksch may be worth a look? There are also some talented kids sitting in the reserves that may thrive under MM. Names like Lycett, Butcher, White, Griffiths, Brown, Watts, Vardy etc may be worth chasing? It is not my job to identify talent, I watch my team week in week out and I know who plays, how old they are and how important they are to our structure. I just don't see anything that resembles a Waite type player on our list, I am not talking about ability but attributes. I just think it should have been identified a while back and we tried to recruit that type. I watched the open Mike interview with Schwab and they talked about the trading of Croad, the Hawks recruiter told Schwab you will get a gun if we have a top 3 pick (Hodge, Ball, Judd) and based on that input Croad was on the table for the number 1 pick. If I was to look at one player in the league that has similar attributes to Waite it would be Jeremy Cameron. Not sure whether the club tried but I would have moved heaven an earth to get that type of player into our club.