TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Tightness of the playing group

Have to agree .... they don't look like a tight bunch. Might be groups of 2 or 3 or 4 but that's about it. Quite reserved, very quiet bunch and that shows out on the field. Some don't even talk at all out there. They don't hunt in packs (or rub it in your face) like some of the other teams do. Need some of the non-leadership group guys (eg: Robbo, Scotland, Walker, McLean, AJ perhaps) to step it up a bit in that area. Carrots has been quiet but can backchat. Waite would be handy as well.

Our guys can play football ........ other teams play it just as well or better but they play it with attitude ....... we ain't got none !!

Lucas doesn't spend much time hanging out with his team mates.

They're pretty loose in other areas after playing the Hawks Cats etc...

This may seem like a small thing, but i think it shows a lot about our players mentality and selfishness.
In watching other teams over the first few rounds, what stands out to me is the closeness and mateship ( for want of a better word ) of other teams players after a big goal or a youngster doing something good for their team.
I think it was Dywer from the Pies who kicked a goal vs us, he was swamped by about 7 blokes hugging and getting around him, Sidebottom nearly dry humped him, it was genuine excitement and happiness for a fellow team member.
I saw the same sort of thing from Essendon* boys vs Freo on Friday night, a bunch of blokes working together to win games, unselfish, doing their part for the team with a selfless hunger

I honestly just dont see that with our Blues, its like a workplace, every man for himself, just going about his day to day work and taking his pay and going home.
Where is the hunger, the want to win, the desperation. Did we draft the wrong type of people ?

Skills and athleticism are one thing, hunger, desperation and not wanting to lose is another thing altogether, sadly i think we are missing this badly and im not sure its something a coach can teach, you either have it in you or you dont

Ridiculous... get around this young guy, show him he belongs, would do his confidence the world of good, please see below

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... first-goal

hollywood43 wrote:

Ridiculous... get around this young guy, show him he belongs, would do his confidence the world of good, please see below

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... first-goal

You obviously didn't go to the game.
That's the first thing i looked for and i counted at least 8 players went to him.
Did you see when Rowe kicked his first???
Plenty got to him.
It means nothing

Author:	hollywood43 [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:45 am ]
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This may seem like a small thing, but i think it shows a lot about our players mentality and selfishness. In watching other teams over the first few rounds, what stands out to me is the closeness and mateship ( for want of a better word ) of other teams players after a big goal or a youngster doing something good for their team. I think it was Dywer from the Pies who kicked a goal vs us, he was swamped by about 7 blokes hugging and getting around him, Sidebottom nearly dry humped him, it was genuine excitement and happiness for a fellow team member. I saw the same sort of thing from Essendon* boys vs Freo on Friday night, a bunch of blokes working together to win games, unselfish, doing their part for the team with a selfless hunger I honestly just dont see that with our Blues, its like a workplace, every man for himself, just going about his day to day work and taking his pay and going home. Where is the hunger, the want to win, the desperation. Did we draft the wrong type of people ? Skills and athleticism are one thing, hunger, desperation and not wanting to lose is another thing altogether, sadly i think we are missing this badly and im not sure its something a coach can teach, you either have it in you or you dont

Author:	cimm1979 [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:49 pm ]
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I don't think they are a close group.

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:33 pm ]
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I think they are pretty tight around the throat - particularly at the end o quarters and games.

Author:	CK95 [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:38 pm ]
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They're pretty loose in other areas after playing the Hawks Cats etc...

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:40 pm ]
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Bicycle clips are a bit superfluous when you're wearing shorts aren't they??

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Author:	trublu [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:50 pm ]
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Lucas doesn't spend much time hanging out with his team mates. Also, Jordan Russell was pretty good at rounding up the boys for a poker night or a table tennis tournament at his place after a 10 buck Parma Most of the boys live around Essendon*, pascoe vale, ascot vale where as murph lives in the eastern suburbs or at his missus place in port melbourne

Author:	BIRDTOWN [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:15 pm ]
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We have travelled & played well, the guys bond when playing interstate. Hammer said so himself today... They've seemed to have partied well together in the past, Cruise, Vegas etc. How was the response to Buckley's goal (Dylan was certainly gee'd up)? Didn't they rally around Rowe the week before? Maybe the introverted manner of our previous skipper rubbed off?

Author:	Navy One [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:20 pm ]
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Have to agree .... they don't look like a tight bunch. Might be groups of 2 or 3 or 4 but that's about it. Quite reserved, very quiet bunch and that shows out on the field. Some don't even talk at all out there. They don't hunt in packs (or rub it in your face) like some of the other teams do. Need some of the non-leadership group guys (eg: Robbo, Scotland, Walker, McLean, AJ perhaps) to step it up a bit in that area. Carrots has been quiet but can backchat. Waite would be handy as well. Our guys can play football ........ other teams play it just as well or better but they play it with attitude ....... we ain't got none !!

Author:	rhys87 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:06 am ]
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Navy One wrote: Have to agree .... they don't look like a tight bunch. Might be groups of 2 or 3 or 4 but that's about it. Quite reserved, very quiet bunch and that shows out on the field. Some don't even talk at all out there. They don't hunt in packs (or rub it in your face) like some of the other teams do. Need some of the non-leadership group guys (eg: Robbo, Scotland, Walker, McLean, AJ perhaps) to step it up a bit in that area. Carrots has been quiet but can backchat. Waite would be handy as well. Our guys can play football ........ other teams play it just as well or better but they play it with attitude ....... we ain't got none !! Walker is fine in that area, Robbo needs to get angry I reckon. Seems calmer these days.

Author:	BIRDTOWN [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:14 am ]
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1AW is usually good to go. Flew the flag last w/end and was in the thick of it vs STK last game last year. Robbo may have been instructed to cool down following BDO.

Author:	Kouta [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:01 am ]
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trublu wrote: Lucas doesn't spend much time hanging out with his team mates. Yeah, but nah. Fair bit of interaction in the group and friendly banter if you stalk them on social media. Sugar isn't afraid of teasing Judd. They're getting around O'Keeffe after his latest setback.

Author:	CK95 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:56 am ]
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Nothing a good boat cruise won't sort out

Author:	hollywood43 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:14 pm ]
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Ridiculous... get around this young guy, show him he belongs, would do his confidence the world of good, please see below http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... first-goal

Author:	Waite for me.. [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:18 pm ]
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CK95 wrote: They're pretty loose in other areas after playing the Hawks Cats etc... LMAO!!

Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:32 am ]
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..i'm less concerned about congratulations for a good effort, and more concerned that we allow ourselves to get roughed up with no support.. ..has been happening for years, and will always be the give-away..

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Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:19 pm ]
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hollywood43 wrote: This may seem like a small thing, but i think it shows a lot about our players mentality and selfishness. In watching other teams over the first few rounds, what stands out to me is the closeness and mateship ( for want of a better word ) of other teams players after a big goal or a youngster doing something good for their team. I think it was Dywer from the Pies who kicked a goal vs us, he was swamped by about 7 blokes hugging and getting around him, Sidebottom nearly dry humped him, it was genuine excitement and happiness for a fellow team member. I saw the same sort of thing from Essendon* boys vs Freo on Friday night, a bunch of blokes working together to win games, unselfish, doing their part for the team with a selfless hunger I honestly just dont see that with our Blues, its like a workplace, every man for himself, just going about his day to day work and taking his pay and going home. Where is the hunger, the want to win, the desperation. Did we draft the wrong type of people ? Skills and athleticism are one thing, hunger, desperation and not wanting to lose is another thing altogether, sadly i think we are missing this badly and im not sure its something a coach can teach, you either have it in you or you dont Maybe you're right. Maybe it happened when we cut a Josh Kennedy from the list when he didn't want to go. Someone posted recently they were in the rooms before the game and sat behind the interchange bench and noticed how intraverted and lack of talk there was amongst our players.......something which is drilled into us as kids when playing in a good team.

Author:	Dominator_7 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:42 pm ]
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Its a far cry from the days of the Buzz, Sellers, the Dominator, Marcou, Bucks, Perovic and Wow thats for sure.

Author:	Adam Chatfield [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:41 pm ]
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Win and it changes. Chasing shadows.

Author:	deano35 [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:58 pm ]
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hollywood43 wrote: Ridiculous... get around this young guy, show him he belongs, would do his confidence the world of good, please see below http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... first-goal You obviously didn't go to the game. That's the first thing i looked for and i counted at least 8 players went to him. Did you see when Rowe kicked his first??? Plenty got to him. It means nothing

Author:	bluegirl72 [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:38 am ]
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deano35 wrote: hollywood43 wrote: Ridiculous... get around this young guy, show him he belongs, would do his confidence the world of good, please see below http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2013- ... first-goal You obviously didn't go to the game. That's the first thing i looked for and i counted at least 8 players went to him. Did you see when Rowe kicked his first??? Plenty got to him. It means nothing was gonna say the same thing. they did get around him. they do communicate. they do get happy for each other when good things are happening. it's all there just waiting to burst open. give it a chance.