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| Author: | ianh [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Flagless Champions |
The Blueseum has a great article seeking to answer the question of who was the greatest Carlton player to never win a flag. Intrigued by the article I thought I’d have a crack at putting together a 22 from the 22 names put forward in that article The main challenge in trying to find a balanced team was the fact that 6 of the players were basically full-forwards, but Carroll was a flanker before he came to Carlton, Clover started and finished his career at Carlton on the flank and O’Brien and especially Warburton were smaller types, so in the end I was able to place them all in the one forward line with Davey at CHF and Cowley on the bench. Comben Collis Whitnall Hickmott Duncan James Kerr Blackwell Lappin Carroll Davey Clover O’Brien Fevola Warburton Donaldson Wells A Clarke Chick Cooper Cox Cowley Putting aside the lack of height in modern terms, that’s one hell of a team. |
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| Author: | Captain Dan [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
On talent alone, you can't go past Fevola. Streets ahead of most as a forward in his day, but miles behind in attitude. |
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| Author: | aramari [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
What about Bert Boromeo? And Marc Murphy and Eddie Betts would be ahead of some of those. Scotland would be in the conversation too. |
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| Author: | Springsteen [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
aramari wrote: What about Bert Boromeo? And Marc Murphy and Eddie Betts would be ahead of some of those. Scotland would be in the conversation too. yep, seems the list is just for retired players |
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| Author: | isdonis.george [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
What about Maurie Sankey and Ray Garby? |
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
beyond our club, it's pretty hard to go past Clive Waterhouse |
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| Author: | mots [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Would of thought Nick Stevens might rate a mention too. |
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| Author: | Bomba Sheldon [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Gee Blackwell deserved a flag, runner up in the B&F in 1986 but injury hampered him in 1987 - he was a lot better than what a lot of people give him credit for One of the best one on one footballers I have seen in the Navy Blue - he knew how to win his own footy and was as tough as nails |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Captain Dan wrote: On talent alone, you can't go past Fevola. Streets ahead of most as a forward in his day, but miles behind in attitude. Fev played in an era which did not suit his persona and hijinks. He was a 70's and 80's kind of man...lawless...no media...no mobiles with cameras...got away with everything coz the club always covered their bad eggs...refer to StKilda....plenty of great stories resonate from there....good deflection ay? |
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
mots wrote: Would of thought Nick Stevens might rate a mention too. I of no idea why I ofn't seen his name in this thread. |
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| Author: | DocSherrin III [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Bomba Sheldon wrote: Gee Blackwell deserved a flag, runner up in the B&F in 1986 but injury hampered him in 1987 - he was a lot better than what a lot of people give him credit for One of the best one on one footballers I have seen in the Navy Blue - he knew how to win his own footy and was as tough as nails Agreed Bomba...very, very good player. If it rains - I'd pick Brad Shine. And I'd throw Mots in their for good measure. |
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| Author: | The Blueseum [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Link for those interested... http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=144 From the Blueseum |
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| Author: | moshe25 [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Flagless Champions |
One omission: Ryan Houlihan. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
WIGGINS. Thread. Over. |
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| Author: | camel [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
Geez, what do Sean Charles and Jimmy Plunkett have to do to get some love around here. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flagless Champions |
camelboy wrote: Geez, what do Sean Charles and Jimmy Plunkett have to do to get some love around here. Stop bugging cricketers for their personal repellents, for one..... |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Flagless Champions |
bondiblue wrote: Captain Dan wrote: On talent alone, you can't go past Fevola. Streets ahead of most as a forward in his day, but miles behind in attitude. Fev played in an era which did not suit his persona and hijinks. He was a 70's and 80's kind of man...lawless...no media...no mobiles with cameras...got away with everything coz the club always covered their bad eggs...refer to StKilda....plenty of great stories resonate from there....good deflection ay? Yes he would of been good at 70s 80s st kilda, he would of been forced to either be a team man at the Carlton sides of that era or bigger off. Note how all ex Carlton players from that era had no time for him. Sure it was work hard and play hard, but you still had to be part of the team ethos. |
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