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Author:  CK95 [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Greg Williams & concussion

We discussed this elsewhere but I thought I'd give it a thread


http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-star-b ... 2ezsk.html


Quote:
Williams, who played 250 games with Geelong, Sydney and Carlton, told the Seven network he knows he was in the winning premiership team in 1995 but does not remember a lot of the game.



I hope that doesn't mean he's forgotten outmarking Steven Handley in the 3rd qtr...

Author:  Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:05 pm ]
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Gee he seemed vague and distant. Sad.

Author:  AGRO [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:05 pm ]
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As I said elsewhere what's John Russo's excuse for forgetting that Williams got 44 possessions in Round 10 in 1993 - Carlton -v- Melbourne.

:roll:

Author:  Wojee [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:05 pm ]
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Quote:
He and former North Queensland player Shaun Valentine underwent tests at Deakin University covering memory, dexterity and response times, with worrying results.

Their response times matched those of much older men.


For a bloke as good and quick with his hands as Greg Williams that's a very sad thing to read.

Author:  Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:07 pm ]
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His wife seemed close to over it, too.

Author:  RickJ [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:15 pm ]
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I think that filthy @#$%&! cauliflower Sean Denham should take at least a portion of the blame

Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:41 pm ]
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This is just the start. The class actions are coming. We mightn't be the litigious society like the United States - but it doesn't take Blind Freddy to see that a professional athlete has a compelling case. If the AFL had medical knowledge that sending players back on the ground (instead of sending them to hospital) and damage to the brain occurs during and/or post-career - and the AFL did nothing to instigate rule changes surounding concussion - then they better have a good legal team.

Author:  Blue Vain [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:49 pm ]
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Is it really that unusual?
I played in a flag in my 20s and can remember virtually nothing of the game. AFAIC, your brain has a certain capacity to retain stuff and the more information you accumulate, some of the other memories will dissipate.
Some people are just wired differently. I can remember numbers from 30 years ago but other activities and circumstances are well gone from my memory bank.

Author:  JohnM [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:54 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
Is it really that unusual?
I played in a flag in my 20s and can remember virtually nothing of the game. AFAIC, your brain has a certain capacity to retain stuff and the more information you accumulate, some of the other memories will dissipate.
Some people are just wired differently. I can remember numbers from 30 years ago but other activities and circumstances are well gone from my memory bank.


Maybe in GW's case the loss of memory means something. He has always been acutely aware of details in his career, and I've heard more than one interview where he's corrected the interviewer with a very minor detail regarding an incident or a game.

Really sad if this is anything more than 'normal' time-induced vagueness.

Author:  teknodeejay [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:57 pm ]
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DocSherrin wrote:
If the AFL had medical knowledge that sending players back on the ground (instead of sending them to hospital) and damage to the brain occurs during and/or post-career - and the AFL did nothing to instigate rule changes surounding concussion - then they better have a good legal team.


I wonder whether this existed.

NFL only recently got serious about concussions. It really wasn't talked about much medically beyond the last 5 years perhaps. Now it is a priority of on field handling.

I'm glad the king hits and shirtfronts of yester-year have been eroded from the game (Wellingham sniping notwithstanding).

I wonder if the massive hit by Milburn on Silvagni has had ongoing effects for Stephen. Not just the initial contact but worse the head clattering into the Princes Park turf and him all but motionless... it's a good case study. I don't remember the post incident handling other than angry supporters and Milburn jibing the crowd.. was SOS carted off to hospital or just taken to the rooms? Did he play the next week?

Author:  grrofunger [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:59 pm ]
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teknodeejay wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
If the AFL had medical knowledge that sending players back on the ground (instead of sending them to hospital) and damage to the brain occurs during and/or post-career - and the AFL did nothing to instigate rule changes surounding concussion - then they better have a good legal team.


I wonder whether this existed.

NFL only recently got serious about concussions. It really wasn't talked about much medically beyond the last 5 years perhaps. Now it is a priority of on field handling.

I'm glad the king hits and shirtfronts of yester-year have been eroded from the game (Wellingham sniping notwithstanding).

I wonder if the massive hit by Milburn on Silvagni has had ongoing effects for Stephen. Not just the initial contact but worse the head clattering into the Princes Park turf and him all but motionless... it's a good case study. I don't remember the post incident handling other than angry supporters and Milburn jibing the crowd.. was SOS carted off to hospital or just taken to the rooms? Did he play the next week?


too many concussions?

Author:  The Normal One [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Greg Williams & concussion

I'm actually starting to worry about my future. I've had a category 3 concussion with brain bruising as well as a number of smaller concussions in my sporting career.

I retired after the major concussion as a precaution. I was never going to be an elite player so life came first.

Author:  grrofunger [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:50 pm ]
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i've had heaps too

Author:  AGRO [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:52 pm ]
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Come to think about it I can't remember too much of the 1995 Grand Final either.


:oops:

Author:  Taff [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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I think all of us who played the game had our concussions. Like KK I was also cleaned up a few times and after waking up in hospital and not remembering anything from the day was scary. It was my last season as a player with three concussions in one season. Shame as I was only 20 and loved to play. But uni was full on and being short in stature meant that I seemed to attract, elbows and hips, usually above my shoulders and I knew the old bastards in amateur footy in those days would always get me, eventually.

Author:  Blue Vain [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:24 pm ]
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JohnM wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Is it really that unusual?
I played in a flag in my 20s and can remember virtually nothing of the game. AFAIC, your brain has a certain capacity to retain stuff and the more information you accumulate, some of the other memories will dissipate.
Some people are just wired differently. I can remember numbers from 30 years ago but other activities and circumstances are well gone from my memory bank.


Maybe in GW's case the loss of memory means something. He has always been acutely aware of details in his career, and I've heard more than one interview where he's corrected the interviewer with a very minor detail regarding an incident or a game.

Really sad if this is anything more than 'normal' time-induced vagueness.


True John.
Though if you asked Greg about his personal achievements in games rather than team achievements, perhaps his recollection may be different.
Some things are more important than others to certain people. Diesel was a gun but whenever I've heard him quoting stats, its always about his achievements, not the teams.

Then again, I'm definitely not trying to diminish or make light of the possibility that this could be a degenerative problem which would be terrible. Whether its related to his footy or not.

Author:  CK95 [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:31 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
Is it really that unusual?
I played in a flag in my 20s and can remember virtually nothing of the game.




To be fair that was a pretty massive night at Chasers afterwards

Author:  teknodeejay [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:37 pm ]
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AGRO wrote:
Come to think about it I can't remember too much of the 1995 Grand Final either.


:oops:


That, son, we can help you with.

[youtube]FTfo5mzS8_U[/youtube]

Author:  teknodeejay [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:40 pm ]
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Actually in that video at about 1m2s, GW receives exactly what he talks about in his interview.

Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Greg Williams & concussion

teknodeejay wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Come to think about it I can't remember too much of the 1995 Grand Final either.


:oops:


That, son, we can help you with.

[youtube]FTfo5mzS8_U[/youtube]


Sorry to go off on a tangent, but how fantastic is that commentary compared to the dross we get these days?

Concise, calls the action and little else. And it's not all about the commentators. Yes, I'm looking your way, Dermie and Monga.

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