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I'd keep Carazzo playing that number 1 tagger role. With a decent run with injury, he could become a bit like Ling...bloody hard to get possessions on, and gets plenty of his own. Had he not got injured last year, he may well have been All-Australian.

Siegfried wrote:

The only issue I have with this Siegfried is does MM really play a tagger? Not that I've seen. He is more into team defence, pushing the opposition wide, blocking space etc.

Carrots is a machine when it comes to winning the ball. If he has it 30 times it makes us so much better IMO. Imagine oppositions having to worry about Judd, Murph, Carrots, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson all collecting possessions. Makes it hard for the opposition when we have the ball all the time.

Good topic Psych`. I still think Walker can be a good to great midfielder, maybe moreso than Gibbs who i would play as a HF.
Agree re` Henderson forward. I`d still go with Touhy as the small defender.

Eddie and Jeffy to be used more on ball in bursts, Hendo I think is needed back unless someone steps up down there, and in any event I think whilst Waite is fit he is the best bet at CHF. The problem is of course that Waite going on recent seasons can't be relied upon for a full season and it is a bit of an ask to have Hendo swung from defence to CHF if and when Waite goes down. I think the cover for Waite at CHF has to be playing KF, even if it is only in the seconds, rather than swinging from defence.

Heard MM talking about the list and how there will be positional changes amongst our list as part of our improvement. Thank goodness. :thumbsup:

I have said it before I thought our list is good but hasn't been used or developed properly. Kids will be given opportunities and defence will be the focus.

Changes I hope to see:

1. Desperately need a small defender. My hope is Collins gets a fair run at it.

2. Touhy, Yarran, Garlett & Gibbs as midfielders. Carrots as a ball winner.

3. Henderson as a forward which will need Jamison, Laidler, White, McInnes & Watson to stand up. My smoky is for Rowe to play key defender.

4. Walker back to playing deep forward.

I look forward to the development of Lucas, Bootsma, Davies, Buckley & Dale.

The NAB Cup will be interesting to watch.

Siegfried wrote:

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:34 pm ]
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Heard MM talking about the list and how there will be positional changes amongst our list as part of our improvement. Thank goodness. I have said it before I thought our list is good but hasn't been used or developed properly. Kids will be given opportunities and defence will be the focus. Changes I hope to see: 1. Desperately need a small defender. My hope is Collins gets a fair run at it. 2. Touhy, Yarran, Garlett & Gibbs as midfielders. Carrots as a ball winner. 3. Henderson as a forward which will need Jamison, Laidler, White, McInnes & Watson to stand up. My smoky is for Rowe to play key defender. 4. Walker back to playing deep forward. I look forward to the development of Lucas, Bootsma, Davies, Buckley & Dale. The NAB Cup will be interesting to watch.

Author:	THIRIODIS [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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I disagree on making Collins a small defender - he is too smart/creative to be playing a lock down position like that, plus I'm not sure he has the pace to keep up with the electrical 'off the mark' type small forwards. I think we could do worse than to look at picking up Jacob Surjan (still only 26/27) to play this role. Wanted to come and play for Carlton last season, has proven ability in this position and I think we could get him on the cheap. I agree with the rest though.

Author:	Siegfried [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:48 pm ]
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I'd keep Carazzo playing that number 1 tagger role. With a decent run with injury, he could become a bit like Ling...bloody hard to get possessions on, and gets plenty of his own. Had he not got injured last year, he may well have been All-Australian. I'd love to play Henderson at CHF, but unless Watson comes up in a big way, I think we need him more in the back half. In a perfect word, the goal-to-goal line would be Jamison - Watson - mid - Henderson - Walker, with Walker playing a genuine lead-up forward's role, of which I think he is capable.

Author:	Princes Park Whistler [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:07 pm ]
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Good topic Psych`. I still think Walker can be a good to great midfielder, maybe moreso than Gibbs who i would play as a HF. Agree re` Henderson forward. I`d still go with Touhy as the small defender.

Author:	london blue [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:21 pm ]
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Good topic .....agree with yarran, Gibbs and touhy into the middle and Garlett having a run with role ie great tackler and might be able to turn defense into offense McCarthy playing from round 1 and persevering .........and of course Waite to a wing.......and Krueze as ruck rover

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Author:	AGRO [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:26 pm ]
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Like most of that LB - but Waite doesn't have the tank to line up on the wing.

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:33 pm ]
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Siegfried wrote: I'd keep Carazzo playing that number 1 tagger role. With a decent run with injury, he could become a bit like Ling...bloody hard to get possessions on, and gets plenty of his own. Had he not got injured last year, he may well have been All-Australian. The only issue I have with this Siegfried is does MM really play a tagger? Not that I've seen. He is more into team defence, pushing the opposition wide, blocking space etc. Carrots is a machine when it comes to winning the ball. If he has it 30 times it makes us so much better IMO. Imagine oppositions having to worry about Judd, Murph, Carrots, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson all collecting possessions. Makes it hard for the opposition when we have the ball all the time.

Author:	ianh [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:39 pm ]
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Eddie and Jeffy to be used more on ball in bursts, Hendo I think is needed back unless someone steps up down there, and in any event I think whilst Waite is fit he is the best bet at CHF. The problem is of course that Waite going on recent seasons can't be relied upon for a full season and it is a bit of an ask to have Hendo swung from defence to CHF if and when Waite goes down. I think the cover for Waite at CHF has to be playing KF, even if it is only in the seconds, rather than swinging from defence.

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:42 pm ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: Siegfried wrote: I'd keep Carazzo playing that number 1 tagger role. With a decent run with injury, he could become a bit like Ling...bloody hard to get possessions on, and gets plenty of his own. Had he not got injured last year, he may well have been All-Australian. The only issue I have with this Siegfried is does MM really play a tagger? Not that I've seen. He is more into team defence, pushing the opposition wide, blocking space etc. Carrots is a machine when it comes to winning the ball. If he has it 30 times it makes us so much better IMO. Imagine oppositions having to worry about Judd, Murph, Carrots, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson all collecting possessions. Makes it hard for the opposition when we have the ball all the time. I think this was Rattens plan A, B, C etc etc theory and it was exposed when we had a few injuries which exposed our lack of depth. If MM rotates a few more through the middle as London Blue alluded to it will make for a better balanced team with more depth - but we definitely need to recruit midfielders with every pick in this upcoming draft.

Author:	london blue [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:53 pm ]
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lateral......gibbs as a key forward (Dermott was only 188cm) cant forget o'keefe as a midfielder

Author:	BIRDTOWN [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:00 pm ]
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Yes, the big hole ATM is the small defender in my eyes. Perhaps Army to roll back there? Is Bootsma able to play on the smaller, quicker types? Believe he's rated as one of the best spoilers in the ranks already. I'd like to see ROK play out of the back pocket but concerns over his pace. Can Davies improve his game to take the smalls? Or Lucas goes back? I'm with Yarran & Tuohy to the midfield too. Hendo to start up fwd. You wouldn't think there are too many massive changes like Jeffy, Mitch or Ellard to the back pocket types on the horizon, though I could see Davey getting a forward pocket role if one opened up.

Author:	Bolt from the Blue [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: Heard MM talking about the list and how there will be positional changes amongst our list as part of our improvement. Thank goodness. I have said it before I thought our list is good but hasn't been used or developed properly. Kids will be given opportunities and defence will be the focus. Changes I hope to see: 1. Desperately need a small defender. My hope is Collins gets a fair run at it. 2. Touhy, Yarran, Garlett & Gibbs as midfielders. Carrots as a ball winner. 3. Henderson as a forward which will need Jamison, Laidler, White, McInnes & Watson to stand up. My smoky is for Rowe to play key defender. 4. Walker back to playing deep forward. I look forward to the development of Lucas, Bootsma, Davies, Buckley & Dale. The NAB Cup will be interesting to watch. Good OP there. My only query is whether Collins has the composure to play down there. Mistakes deep in the back line can be extremely costly. At least with his current role he can create opportunities delivering it into the forward 50. Wonder whether O'Keeffe (pace and fitness pending) can play that role, or we will look into the draft. Not fussed on Carrazzo's role tbh as some midfield type. And agree with the consensus that Waite should be released as a third tall. That is my piece on the subject so far.

Author:	Siegfried [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:20 pm ]
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ThePsychologist wrote: Siegfried wrote: I'd keep Carazzo playing that number 1 tagger role. With a decent run with injury, he could become a bit like Ling...bloody hard to get possessions on, and gets plenty of his own. Had he not got injured last year, he may well have been All-Australian. The only issue I have with this Siegfried is does MM really play a tagger? Not that I've seen. He is more into team defence, pushing the opposition wide, blocking space etc. Carrots is a machine when it comes to winning the ball. If he has it 30 times it makes us so much better IMO. Imagine oppositions having to worry about Judd, Murph, Carrots, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson all collecting possessions. Makes it hard for the opposition when we have the ball all the time. Fair point Psych. Will be interesting to see what he does re a tagger.

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:49 pm ]
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Just to breakdown the list and try and see what we have based on previous games: Small Defenders: Joseph Yarran Lucas Touhy Mid Size Defenders: Laidler Duigan OKeefe McInnes Davies White Bootsma Key Position Defenders: Jamison Henderson Watson McCarthy Outside Mids: Gibbs Judd Murphy Simpson Scotland Inside Mids: McLean Carrazzo Bell Robinson Ellard Curnow Small Forwards: Betts Garlett Collins Armfield Dale Buckley Mid Size Forwards: Walker Key Position Forwards: Waite Casboult Mitchell Rowe Ruckman: Warnock Kruezer Hampson

Author:	Blue Vain [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:42 pm ]
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Carrazzo performs at his best when he has a role to perform. Whenever he is permitted to free wheel he turns into a handball receiver. Running past getting cheap handballs instead of doing the grunt work he specialises in. Look at the jobs he performed last year, especially early. He was in career best form. He limited the effectiveness of the leagues best midfielders. Thats not tagging. Its showing accountability to a specified opponent. He still won his share of ball. Fix the things that are broken, not the ones that are working brilliantly. Agree about Henderson and Walker. They're both potential 40 goal forwards.

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Author:	Hibbo [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:40 pm ]
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Walks back fwd Scotland HBF/BP playing Gibbs sweep role, general. Gibbs 75% mid/25% fwd Lucas seniors Yarran to spend time in middle OKeeffe seniors If other key Fwds stand up I'd like Waite to play richo's wing/fwd role. Love to see Ellard play ahead of McLean & Curnow as he's younger, faster and always hits the scoreboard

Author:	zeecfc [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:29 pm ]
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Stealing someone else's idea but Bootsma should play as our small defender Bootsma, Jamison, Watson Laidler, Henderson, Yarran McCarthy should be groomed as our Jarrad Waite replacement.

Author:	kots1234 [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:31 pm ]
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Yarran permanent midfielder. Duigan permanent half forward. Garlett to provide some run out of defense (similar to what MM did with L Davis). Dylan Buckley FP alongside Betts.