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| Author: | Lace Out [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warnock v Hampson |
Was curious to see who people think Mick Malthouse could transform into a more valuable player. A lot of people have been talking up trading Warnock, but I think he is a better overall player with great skills for such a big guy. To be honest I am over project players like Hampson, we need football saturated talent if we are going to go all the way. 2E is the exception... A penny for your thoughts! |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
keep hampson trade warnock i think the increase in trade value between warnock and hampson is greater than the talent gap between the two |
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| Author: | behindblueeyes [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
v Predator |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
I think you're right in the sense that Warnock is a natural footballer, and Hampson is a 'convert', and thus somewhat of a project player. I also think that Warnock is a very good tap ruckman, who could become and outstanding tap ruckman with the right coaching. The issue for me is that Warnock can only be played first ruck, whereas Hampson is not a bad ruckman, and can also go forward in a way that Warnock can't (although I think Casboult has already gone past Hampson as a forward option. Hampson is a better ruck than Casboult though). So if Kreuzer plays first ruck, as it seems he must, then that leaves Warnock in the twos. Assuming Kreuzer plays first ruck, I'd have Hampson, Casboult and Rowe fighting for the second ruck/forward spot. I'd trade Warnick if we could get a good deal, and draft a young ruckman to develop over the next few years. |
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| Author: | DocSherrin III [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Keep both. Going to have to pay a bit of Robbie's salary if he's traded. Hampson has another 2 years remaining on contract...he's every chance to be worth more next year than this year. I think that's a roll of the dice the club has to take. Warnock will be raring to go this summer being injury free. |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Where would you play Warnock Doc? And if as first ruck, where does that leave Kreuzer? |
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| Author: | DocSherrin III [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Siegfried wrote: Where would you play Warnock Doc? And if as first ruck, where does that leave Kreuzer? You mean where does that leave Hampson? My answer is that I wouldn't play Hampson. |
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| Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Trade all three ruckman. They are all bloody average. Get three picks inside the top 25 or a Gun midfielder. Then recruit a Jonathon Giles, Hamish McIntosh, Marcus Seaby, Jarrod Redden, Broc MaCauley or Jonathon Griffin type. Someone who will thrive on being the No.1. 
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| Author: | BIRDTOWN [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
ThePsychologist wrote: Trade all three ruckman. They are all bloody average. Get three picks inside the top 25 or a Gun midfielder. Then recruit a Jonathon Giles, Hamish McIntosh, Marcus Seaby, Jarrod Redden, Broc MaCauley or Jonathon Griffin type. Someone who will thrive on being the No.1. Not a bad idea. Why don't we try and trade for that chap from Adelaide, Jacobs. Believe he's worth a low 30's pick.... |
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| Author: | spider [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Warlock bye bye,Hampson more flexible,watch game v pies 3rd rd.Warnock is a 1trick pony,and always injured. |
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| Author: | Juddy&theKruezers [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
There was some talk on SEN that the Saints are interested in Warnock.... |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
DocSherrin wrote: Siegfried wrote: Where would you play Warnock Doc? And if as first ruck, where does that leave Kreuzer? You mean where does that leave Hampson? My answer is that I wouldn't play Hampson. No, I mean where does that leave Kreuzer. IMHO, Kreuzer is a first ruck. Warnock is also a first ruck. Ergo (always wanted to use that word!), you can't play both Kreuzer and Warnock in the same team. |
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| Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Look at the No.1 ruckman of the two most likely Grand Final sides. Pyke & Hale. Not exactly top shelf and both recruited via another club or rookie lists. Mumford has hardly played and is from Geelong. West Coast and Collingwood. Cox a rookie (NIcnat and exception) and Jolly via Sydney and Melbourne. Adelaide and Freo. Sandilands a rookie, Griffin from Adelaide and Jacobs from Carlton. Seriously, get rid of them all, get in some A grade players via trades or draft and then get a player I suggested above with a pick in the thirties. With the list we could have Gibbs could ruck and we'd still win. IMO we should at least get rid of two of them. 
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| Author: | aramari [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
ThePsychologist wrote: Trade all three ruckman. They are all bloody average. Get three picks inside the top 25 or a Gun midfielder. Then recruit a Jonathon Giles, Hamish McIntosh, Marcus Seaby, Jarrod Redden, Broc MaCauley or Jonathon Griffin type. Someone who will thrive on being the No.1. Funny you should say that, tongue in cheek or not. I'd like to see them consider trading Kreuzer and Warnock for say pick 10, 30 and 40. Hampson can be first ruck and will be very good. Pick up a kid and a mature age backup from state leagues etc. We have Casboult and Rowe to play as Mick's forward/ruck. The net effect of 10, 30 and 40 (if used well together with our 11 and 29-odd) on our list will outweigh the benefit of having 2 ruckman not playing (through injury and the fact there's only one spot for them). The fact these guys cost us a pick 1 and 24 is irrelevant to what's best for the club. |
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| Author: | aramari [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
...Oh and you'd save about $700k salary cap. |
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| Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
A genuine question. Would you swap Kruezer for Caddy? Hampson for Pick 25? Warnock for Pick 30? Gives us approx. 11, 25, 29, 30 and Caddy. Trade pick 47 for Seaby? Salary Cap room for a free agent ala Cloke, Goddard. |
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| Author: | Hornet [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
I think the Kruezer - Casboult combination worked well... add Hampson & Rowe as back-ups leaves no room for Warnock Trade Warnock for a pick in the 20's at best Hammer won't be worth our while with the pick (maybe 40's) we'd get imo But let's not get too trade happy... we all know what injuries can do. |
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| Author: | aramari [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
ThePsychologist wrote: A genuine question. Would you swap Kruezer for Caddy? Hampson for Pick 25? Warnock for Pick 30? Gives us approx. 11, 25, 29, 30 and Caddy. Trade pick 47 for Seaby? I'm on board Psych, have been for a while, but only for moving 2.  Of course it's unlikely that 2 would go, and even more unlikely that Kreuz would be one of them. But for the strongest net result for the list you would trade out Kreuz, because he'd have easily the most currency. Malthouse's arrival makes the trading of Kreuz imaginable (not probable). He'd not be over-subscribed to the emotional investment in the "pick 1", "great worker" sacred cow stuff. We could then afford Cloke, Caddy and a cheap mature ruck. Kreuzer for Caddy? It improves our list. I think we'd get their 3rd rounder too approx pick 40. So we keep 11 and 29, get 30 for Warnock (ambitious) and 40. We can find 2 or 3 good mids with those picks. Replacements for Scotland, Judd, Simpson and Carazzo are needed. Caddy is one seemingly guaranteed class mid ready to go. Need to find another 3 at least. Look after the present and the future. Be bold Carlton! |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
There's no way we will trade Kreuzer, for so many reasons. But IF we did, we'd get at least a top 10 pick for him. He's shown enough to tantalise, and his poor couple of years can be put down to injury (likely true). Interesting, there was a vigorous debate on these boards over whether we should take Kreuzer or Catchin with pick 1 in that draft. I remember thinking at the time (and I hadn't seen either of them play, so couldn't judge on talent merit) that it was a danger taking a ruckman with an early pick. My reasoning was that most ruckman don't dominate for more than 4 or 5 years (Cox and Jolly the only real exceptions in the last 20 years), and that you want your number 1 pick to dominate for 10 years. Increasingly, it seems ruckman can be found at the lower picks and developed. Time will tell how Kreuzer turns out, his best is bloody good, question is how often and how long he can be at his best. |
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| Author: | Stamos [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Warnock v Hampson |
Keep them both, unless we get offered something seriously good for Warnock. There is no issue with not being able to play them all in the one side, because ruckmen are so frequently injured. |
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