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In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership.
Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions???

Went to the '99 flag reunion a few years back (was part of a GF ticket package I received as a gift....the breakfast was also included), and the damage from the Carey business seemed evident, but many were able to put it aside and just enjoy the day. Although I did notice Archer and Stevens kept their distance throughout the arvo.

We have a different set of circumstances and ones that can be patched up, and not as extreme...I'm sure when Ratten took the job on he would have known that it would someday come to an end, and being a favourite son of the club, he would have known the risks involved of taking on a coaching job at the club he played at.

Many of his premiership mates would understand that also.

Three years is a fair way down the track, and if they aren't friendly by then, hopefully they can put it aside for one day to celebrate a special anniversary of a great club moment...joyeux noel style.

There could be quite a few factions.

Silvagni - falling out over salary cap scandal
Fraser Brown - ditto
Kernahan - that, and also Ratts
Ratten - sacked
Camporeale - Not sure if he's still pissed off at the club.
Whitehead - Self-explanatory

Could be one big punch up. :yikes:

Captain Dan wrote:

Well the interview on Open Mike with SOS demonstrated he hasn't broken the AFL imposed omerta on mentioning the salary cap rorts.

People wonder why the AFL came so hard on Carlton as oppose to other clubs. Why SOS kept mentioning he is keeping his mouth shut in that interview and done everything the club and the AFL wanted. Got a great gig at GWS no point risking it for a scoop for Mike.

There has been suggestions that it was the side perks rather than the rorts that got the chief's knickers in a knot. For those that did accounting in the 70s and 80s and knew why companies would have large expense item under the category of "flowers" would understand.

Steve Da Rui wrote:

In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership.
Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions???

Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5.

Steve Da Rui wrote:

In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership.
Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions???

Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5.

Freddy47 wrote:

Steve Da Rui wrote:

In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership.
Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions???

Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5.

hmm, at risk of getting abused, 'ask not what your club can do for you......................'

And yes I apprecaite how poorly you were treated more recently.

When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds

kingkerna wrote:

When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds

It will. But it's not only me. If anybody knows any of the trainers that have been let go in the last few years talk to them. Ask them how they've been treated by certain senior staff members at the club. I'm lucky enough to work for a company that has a great culture. A culture of excellence, of reward and recognition. I haven't seen any evidence of this at Carlton for years.

As I mentioned in the "Carlton & when you were a kid" thread, I love the club and always will. But I will not attend games or buy a membership until certain individuals are removed from the club. Hopefully I can do this next year. :wink:

Freddy47 wrote:

kingkerna wrote:

When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds

Tell us more please. Really interested to know. You don't have to name names.

Author:	Steve Da Rui [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:13 pm ]
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In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership. Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions???

Author:	Freddy47 [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:19 pm ]
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Steve Da Rui wrote: In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership. Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions??? Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5.

Author:	Captain Dan [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:36 pm ]
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Went to the '99 flag reunion a few years back (was part of a GF ticket package I received as a gift....the breakfast was also included), and the damage from the Carey business seemed evident, but many were able to put it aside and just enjoy the day. Although I did notice Archer and Stevens kept their distance throughout the arvo. We have a different set of circumstances and ones that can be patched up, and not as extreme...I'm sure when Ratten took the job on he would have known that it would someday come to an end, and being a favourite son of the club, he would have known the risks involved of taking on a coaching job at the club he played at. Many of his premiership mates would understand that also. Three years is a fair way down the track, and if they aren't friendly by then, hopefully they can put it aside for one day to celebrate a special anniversary of a great club moment...joyeux noel style.

Author:	Steve Da Rui [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:40 pm ]
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Captain Dan wrote: Went to the '99 flag reunion a few years back (was part of a GF ticket package I received as a gift....the breakfast was also included), and the damage from the Carey business seemed evident, but many were able to put it aside and just enjoy the day. Although I did notice Archer and Stevens kept their distance throughout the arvo. We have a different set of circumstances and ones that can be patched up, and not as extreme...I'm sure when Ratten took the job on he would have known that it would someday come to an end, and being a favourite son of the club, he would have known the risks involved of taking on a coaching job at the club he played at. Many of his premiership mates would understand that also. Three years is a fair way down the track, and if they aren't friendly by then, hopefully they can put it aside for one day to celebrate a special anniversary of a great club moment...joyeux noel style. Gee when you put it like that maybe Whitehead will attend.

Author:	Captain Dan [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:47 pm ]
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There could be quite a few factions. Silvagni - falling out over salary cap scandal Fraser Brown - ditto Kernahan - that, and also Ratts Ratten - sacked Camporeale - Not sure if he's still pissed off at the club. Whitehead - Self-explanatory Could be one big punch up.

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Author:	Steve Da Rui [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:02 pm ]
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Captain Dan wrote: There could be quite a few factions. Silvagni - falling out over salary cap scandal Fraser Brown - ditto Kernahan - that, and also Ratts Ratten - sacked Camporeale - Not sure if he's still pissed off at the club. Whitehead - Self-explanatory Could be one big punch up.

Author:	Anencephalic [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:23 pm ]
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Captain Dan wrote: There could be quite a few factions. Silvagni - falling out over salary cap scandal Fraser Brown - ditto Kernahan - that, and also Ratts Ratten - sacked Camporeale - Not sure if he's still pissed off at the club. Whitehead - Self-explanatory Could be one big punch up. Well the interview on Open Mike with SOS demonstrated he hasn't broken the AFL imposed omerta on mentioning the salary cap rorts. People wonder why the AFL came so hard on Carlton as oppose to other clubs. Why SOS kept mentioning he is keeping his mouth shut in that interview and done everything the club and the AFL wanted. Got a great gig at GWS no point risking it for a scoop for Mike. There has been suggestions that it was the side perks rather than the rorts that got the chief's knickers in a knot. For those that did accounting in the 70s and 80s and knew why companies would have large expense item under the category of "flowers" would understand.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:59 am ]
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Anencephalic wrote: Captain Dan wrote: There could be quite a few factions. Silvagni - falling out over salary cap scandal Fraser Brown - ditto Kernahan - that, and also Ratts Ratten - sacked Camporeale - Not sure if he's still pissed off at the club. Whitehead - Self-explanatory Could be one big punch up. Well the interview on Open Mike with SOS demonstrated he hasn't broken the AFL imposed omerta on mentioning the salary cap rorts. People wonder why the AFL came so hard on Carlton as oppose to other clubs. Why SOS kept mentioning he is keeping his mouth shut in that interview and done everything the club and the AFL wanted. Got a great gig at GWS no point risking it for a scoop for Mike. There has been suggestions that it was the side perks rather than the rorts that got the chief's knickers in a knot. For those that did accounting in the 70s and 80s and knew why companies would have large expense item under the category of "flowers" would understand. Current day term is "staff amenities"

Author:	The Rhino [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:25 am ]
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Throw in a couple of players who haven't been back to the club since they finished playing, and I reckon there'd be no interest at all.

Author:	kingkerna [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:53 am ]
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Freddy47 wrote: Steve Da Rui wrote: In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership. Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions??? Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5. hmm, at risk of getting abused, 'ask not what your club can do for you......................' And yes I apprecaite how poorly you were treated more recently.

Author:	Bluey44 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:14 am ]
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Freddy47 wrote: Steve Da Rui wrote: In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership. Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions??? Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5. I sincerely hope so Freddy !

Author:	4thchicken [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:00 pm ]
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Author:	Freddy47 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:33 pm ]
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kingkerna wrote: Freddy47 wrote: Steve Da Rui wrote: In three years it'll be the 20 year re-union of the '95 Premiership. Given recent events will all players be in attendance(sans Whitehead) and if so will ther be factions??? Wonder if I'll get invited. I received a 1995 Carlton Premiership tie for the 10 year anniversary. Must of cost the club at least $5. hmm, at risk of getting abused, 'ask not what your club can do for you......................' And yes I apprecaite how poorly you were treated more recently. No problems KK. The point I'm making is that most other clubs treat there volunteers a lot better than Carlton. I remember when I started in the stats box and we asked about why other clubs gave there stats team a lot more than we received, it was explained to us that the advantage of working at Carlton was the success we would celebrate. i think that was in 1997. I'm still waiting. I understand what you are saying but when you put in hours and hours of work developing a Stats Application/Database and a Draft/Recruiting Application/Database, spend weekend after weekend away from your family I suppose you expect a little bit more.

Author:	kingkerna [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:39 pm ]
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When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds

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Author:	Freddy47 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:47 pm ]
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kingkerna wrote: When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds It will. But it's not only me. If anybody knows any of the trainers that have been let go in the last few years talk to them. Ask them how they've been treated by certain senior staff members at the club. I'm lucky enough to work for a company that has a great culture. A culture of excellence, of reward and recognition. I haven't seen any evidence of this at Carlton for years. As I mentioned in the "Carlton & when you were a kid" thread, I love the club and always will. But I will not attend games or buy a membership until certain individuals are removed from the club. Hopefully I can do this next year.

Author:	verbs [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:54 pm ]
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Interesting Freddy. A few years ago at a footy club I used to play at I was also on the committee. We had a couple join the club who had relocated to Brisbane from Melbourne to retire and they wanted to get back into footy. They had both "worked" at Collingwood for 20 plus years both heavily involved as volunteers and the fella was particularly involved in quite a vital capacity. After Eddie took over they were both "sacked". So bitter were they that they no longer follow Collingwood and are paid up Brisbane members, love their volunteer work at Brisbane and do not have a kind word to say about the Collingwood Football Club to anyone who cares to listen.

Author:	KoRn [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:13 pm ]
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Freddy47 wrote: kingkerna wrote: When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds It will. But it's not only me. If anybody knows any of the trainers that have been let go in the last few years talk to them. Ask them how they've been treated by certain senior staff members at the club. I'm lucky enough to work for a company that has a great culture. A culture of excellence, of reward and recognition. I haven't seen any evidence of this at Carlton for years. As I mentioned in the "Carlton & when you were a kid" thread, I love the club and always will. But I will not attend games or buy a membership until certain individuals are removed from the club. Hopefully I can do this next year. Tell us more please. Really interested to know. You don't have to name names.

Author:	Freddy47 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:43 pm ]
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KoRn wrote: Freddy47 wrote: kingkerna wrote: When they lost you they lost part of the 'fabric' that makes a club, hopefully time will heal the wounds It will. But it's not only me. If anybody knows any of the trainers that have been let go in the last few years talk to them. Ask them how they've been treated by certain senior staff members at the club. I'm lucky enough to work for a company that has a great culture. A culture of excellence, of reward and recognition. I haven't seen any evidence of this at Carlton for years. As I mentioned in the "Carlton & when you were a kid" thread, I love the club and always will. But I will not attend games or buy a membership until certain individuals are removed from the club. Hopefully I can do this next year. Tell us more please. Really interested to know. You don't have to name names. I find myself in a difficult position. Over 20 years you are told a lot of things in confidence. I have no contact with the guys that confided in me. But if anybody knows these guys and they are they are given permission to elaborate then that would be fine. I have no problem commenting on any observations made or statements heard I have had personally experienced. I hope you understand.