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Author:  keogh [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:12 pm ]
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Lots of talk about coaching at this club but its worth looking at the recruiting over the last 6 years. Now we all know that all clubs are going to have hits and misses. The key is having more hits than misses.
Our recruiting has been more disastrous than Ratten's coaching. Here is the evidence.

I will start with the ruckman situation. Big blokes take time. Unless you are a freak like Nic Nat you are unwise to select a ruckman with a number one pick. Kreuzer is a plodder. He is the new Fraser. Meanwhile Sam Jacobs has become possibly the best tap ruckman in Australia. We had him. We saw his development. We saw him tear the Swans apart in that final. And he went back to SA when we got Warnock. More on that later. Face it folks we have [REDACTED] up severely here. We cant play Hampson Kreuzer and Warnock in the one team. All 3 are pure ruckman, not very good at it and we gave up so much to get them. Picks 1,17 and 24. Sheer bloody lunacy. Instead of picking these 3 blokes we could have gone with these 3 alternatives. Ruckman can be found in the WAFL, SANFL, VFL in their ealy 20s
Kreuzer(Cotchin)
Hampson(Tippett)
Warnock( Beames)

Shocking mistake here

The trades
Example 1
Warnock deal. Defies logic. Why get him when we had Jacobs. And with pick 24 we could have Beames, Hanneberry, Redden, Shiels or Broadbent. If Warnock was a gun I would understand it. He had shown @#$%&! all at the Dockers.
Example 2
The McLean deal. Yes Brock has finally strung a few together, but he has to do a lot more to make this trade a success. With pick 11 we had a plethora of talent that was under our recruiter's noses to choose from
Menzel
Sam Reid
Mitch Duncan
Fyfe
Bastinac
@#$%&! me dead. What was Ratts thinking here.

Example 3
The Judd deal
Worst one of the lot.
Instead of Judd and Armfield we could have
Dangerfield and Scott Selwood
And of course Josh kennedy who became more of a loss with Fevola going. Henderson looks more a defender to me so we basically havent had a power forward for 3 years.

Dumb Dumb Dumb

And there is more
These guys could be wearing the navy blue in brackets and the guys we ended up with were
Hampson (Tippett)
Mark Austin (David McKay)
Steven Browne (Scott Thompson NM)
Gibbs ( Selwood)
Chris Johnston ( Tom Rockliff) :roll:
Pfeiffer (Suckling) :screwy: :screwy:

On top of this Grigg is a better player than Collins

We have found some good players in the rookie draft but at the top end we have stuffed up big time

It comes back to the quick fix solution. The Judd and McLean deal is a classic example. Our ability to recognise talent at the high end of the draft is severely questionable.
Gibbs and Kreuzer have been disappointments to me compared to what we could have got.

Before Ratten is sacked I would sack all the recruiting staff and start again.
Its been a great comedy over the last 6 years
Author:  Adelaide Blue [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:16 pm ]
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Well said. :clap:
Author:  Hornet [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:17 pm ]
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Hindsight has 20/20 vision I'm told...

Yeah, that list looks bad but I'm certain every club has a similar list.

Player development is a big issue for us regardless of who we select(ed)
Author:  Scotty12000 [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:18 pm ]
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Sakc...errr...demote Hughes!
Author:  yibbida [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:39 pm ]
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Interesting all the players we could have had aren't all at the same club....
Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:40 pm ]
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Stuff Hindsight. Lets get some forsight. I'm not asking for a sacking. Our recruiting manager has already been changed anyway. What we need is a different way of looking at things. Too much second quessing and half baked planing. Things have got to get much better.
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:41 pm ]
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For me:

Don't draft ruckman with early picks, and

use the draft for kids NOT mature aged players.
Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:41 pm ]
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yibbida wrote:
Interesting all the players we could have had aren't all at the same club....


Not every club has had the same chances.
Author:  Kouta [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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:garthp:
Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:47 pm ]
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ThePsychologist wrote:
For me:

Don't draft ruckman with early picks, and

use the draft for kids NOT mature aged players.


I'm not sure if I'd follow your ruckmen theory on every occasion but I'd also add honer the depth of the draft to any list. Too many drafts with too few picks.
Author:  Anencephalic [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:49 pm ]
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Image

[youtube]9rmUZQrvF5o[/youtube]
Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:50 pm ]
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Kouta wrote:
:garthp:


He's (?) been let loose. We are in a hole and kouta is going to smirk us all out of it. :screwy:
Author:  Pafloyul [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:51 pm ]
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Anencephalic wrote:
Image

[youtube]9rmUZQrvF5o[/youtube]


Been done, bad then, bad now.
Author:  blueboys101 [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:53 pm ]
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hindsight is a beautiful thing, only rules i would say would be take a gun midfielder over a ruckman any day of the week and never ever waste a pick on an older player u can rookie. i hate these threads
Author:  Anencephalic [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:01 pm ]
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Pafloyul wrote:
Anencephalic wrote:
Image

[youtube]9rmUZQrvF5o[/youtube]


Been done, bad then, bad now.


Apologies was tossing up between that and these:

Image Image

Should have just given this link

http://hindsight.usegrid.net/
Author:  keogh [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:02 pm ]
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blueboys101 wrote:
hindsight is a beautiful thing, only rules i would say would be take a gun midfielder over a ruckman any day of the week and never ever waste a pick on an older player u can rookie. i hate these threads

Hindsight yes I hear you
What the trades highlights is the clubs rush to be successfull. You cant do it these days that way. The club hasnt learnt. Quick fix is dead and buried.

And As I said Kreuzer and Gibbs have been disappointments. Just average footballers.
Author:  redback [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:10 pm ]
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keogh wrote:
blueboys101 wrote:
hindsight is a beautiful thing, only rules i would say would be take a gun midfielder over a ruckman any day of the week and never ever waste a pick on an older player u can rookie. i hate these threads

Hindsight yes I hear you
What the trades highlights is the clubs rush to be successfull. You cant do it these days that way. The club hasnt learnt. Quick fix is dead and buried.

And As I said Kreuzer and Gibbs have been disappointments. Just average footballers.



So your not a fan of the cloke deal then?
Author:  keogh [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:13 pm ]
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redback wrote:
keogh wrote:
blueboys101 wrote:
hindsight is a beautiful thing, only rules i would say would be take a gun midfielder over a ruckman any day of the week and never ever waste a pick on an older player u can rookie. i hate these threads

Hindsight yes I hear you
What the trades highlights is the clubs rush to be successfull. You cant do it these days that way. The club hasnt learnt. Quick fix is dead and buried.

And As I said Kreuzer and Gibbs have been disappointments. Just average footballers.



So your not a fan of the cloke deal then?

No
and I am not a fan in handing Malthouse the job

I will say it again
the Quick Fix doesnt work in AFL 99% of the time.
We do it too often
Thats why we wont be playing finals 5 seasons into Judd's presence at the club
Author:  redback [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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Agree both counts :thumbsup:
Author:  bax [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:30 pm ]
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keogh wrote:
Lots of talk about coaching at this club but its worth looking at the recruiting over the last 6 years. Now we all know that all clubs are going to have hits and misses. The key is having more hits than misses.
Our recruiting has been more disastrous than Ratten's coaching. Here is the evidence.

I will start with the ruckman situation. Big blokes take time. Unless you are a freak like Nic Nat you are unwise to select a ruckman with a number one pick. Kreuzer is a plodder. He is the new Fraser. Meanwhile Sam Jacobs has become possibly the best tap ruckman in Australia. We had him. We saw his development. We saw him tear the Swans apart in that final. And he went back to SA when we got Warnock. More on that later. Face it folks we have !@#$%& up severely here. We cant play Hampson Kreuzer and Warnock in the one team. All 3 are pure ruckman, not very good at it and we gave up so much to get them. Picks 1,17 and 24. Sheer bloody lunacy. Instead of picking these 3 blokes we could have gone with these 3 alternatives. Ruckman can be found in the WAFL, SANFL, VFL in their ealy 20s
Kreuzer(Cotchin)
Hampson(Tippett)
Warnock( Beames)

Shocking mistake here

The trades
Example 1
Warnock deal. Defies logic. Why get him when we had Jacobs. And with pick 24 we could have Beames, Hanneberry, Redden, Shiels or Broadbent. If Warnock was a gun I would understand it. He had shown !@#$%& all at the Dockers.
Example 2
The McLean deal. Yes Brock has finally strung a few together, but he has to do a lot more to make this trade a success. With pick 11 we had a plethora of talent that was under our recruiter's noses to choose from
Menzel
Sam Reid
Mitch Duncan
Fyfe
Bastinac
!@#$%& me dead. What was Ratts thinking here.

Example 3
The Judd deal
Worst one of the lot.
Instead of Judd and Armfield we could have
Dangerfield and Scott Selwood
And of course Josh kennedy who became more of a loss with Fevola going. Henderson looks more a defender to me so we basically havent had a power forward for 3 years.

Dumb Dumb Dumb

And there is more
These guys could be wearing the navy blue in brackets and the guys we ended up with were
Hampson (Tippett)
Mark Austin (David McKay)
Steven Browne (Scott Thompson NM)
Gibbs ( Selwood)
Chris Johnston ( Tom Rockliff) :roll:
Pfeiffer (Suckling) :screwy: :screwy:

On top of this Grigg is a better player than Collins

We have found some good players in the rookie draft but at the top end we have stuffed up big time

It comes back to the quick fix solution. The Judd and McLean deal is a classic example. Our ability to recognise talent at the high end of the draft is severely questionable.
Gibbs and Kreuzer have been disappointments to me compared to what we could have got.

Before Ratten is sacked I would sack all the recruiting staff and start again.
Its been a great comedy over the last 6 years



So u didn't want Judd when we got him....hmmmm
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