It is tempting and I like the reference point but I just don't rate Cloke at all. I don't think he is that good and certainly not worth the money he is asking. Plus, he is a strange cat and not a team person.

I believe we have the list and if we can "add" some class to it we will be right in the mix. I like Goddard but we have Gibbs.

Instead of Cloke should we be targeting players like Caddy, Boak, Stevens, Toy, Salope, Knights, Chaplin etc. A lot cheaper and still play a role. Been interesting to watch how well drilled sides like Hawthorn and Freo have gone without their keys forwards recently.

I am confident Mitchell, Casboult, Waite, Henderson, Rowe will fill the key forward spots.

They are yes, but they did get Ottens and Mooney from other clubs and are currently chasing Boak.

It's not all one way or the other.

I also think our list is not that bad. Our problem has always been coaching (statisticians make crap coaches). I'd make some hard decisions and look to trading 2 of our 'stars' if the reward was high enough. Those stars are Yarran and Gibbs.

I am always of the belief that anyone is tradeable if you improve your list but to trade Yarran and Gibbs the options would want to be bloody good.

Although both are frustrating they are extremely talented and under a new very disciplined coach they may thrive and improve?

I actually agree with you - but I made the point because at Carlton its the way we have done it since 1964 (George Harris).

Its time now for a new "George Harris" to sweep a broom through and bring us into the 21st Century - the way the old George Harris took us at of pre-World War II and into the 20th Century.

True - but to get a Goddard we'll need some money. Ideally you'd have all 3, but I just get the feeling these two will never fulfill their potential. Hope I'm wrong and both produce blinders under a new coach.

It'd be very handy. Goddard - a Blues supporter living in Melbourne with a new coach and Chris Judd Vs moving to, and playing for, Freo AND playing with Ballantyne who just happens to be a bigger rectum than Milne.

He won't go west.

Actually no.
Geelong are the self confessed leaders in developing their own players.
They openly admit that is their list building philosophy.
Essendon* are just very poor at poaching players but it hasnt stopped them trying.

And BTW, 3 flags in 5 years tells Geelong are much better than us.

He's be used to playing for a whole lot of rectums whilst at St. Kilda so playing with just one at Fremantle shouldn't pose any problems.

I agree. So let's get MM and Goddard (not Cloke).

No I dont think Casboult can carry the forward line but somewhere along the line we'll have to draft players and actually develop them instead of sponging off everyone else's hard work. Now is that time.

Nah, it's the other way around.

But BV that's not the carlton model!

That's all too hard

Jack Martin ahead of Jesse Hogan anyday! Martin will be an absolute gun. And Hogan kicks like Levi Casboult!