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Author: | Juanita Jones [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-hit-by-worst-injury-crisis-in-a-decade-20120725-22qx4.html Quote: CARLTON is fighting its worst injury crisis in a decade as the club attempts to turn last week's win against the Western Bulldogs into a last-gasp run for the finals in the last six rounds.
A review of the club's injury toll this season has revealed the last time Carlton had as many players missing games due to injury was back in 2002 - when it finished with the wooden spoon under Wayne Brittain - and 65 per cent of their injuries this year had been ''collision'', rather than the soft-tissue problems plaguing other clubs such as Essendon*. Carlton has used the second-highest number of players this year (36) of any of the teams still in the hunt for finals - with only three players having played every game. |
Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
..can't speak for others [or rather, can but shouldn't], for me it's not so much the constant high injury rate this season,, but rather the way we've played.. ..even with a more experienced side with few injuries to starting players we were showing a lack of system.. ..this was exacerbated by the fact we had to start filtering in kids/rookies which further highlighted the lack of systems in our play.. ..also, the constant moving around of players.. ..the concept of player versatility has gone too far over the last season as well.. ..how uncompetitive and lacklustre we have been over many games this season is what's inexcusable.. ..losses are m ore understandable if you're competitive, given our injury list.. ..but the crappy play [even when our list was fitter] is the problem.. |
Author: | Donstuie [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
Juanita Jones wrote: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade #notasbadasbravebombers |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
Big Kahuna Boot wrote: ..can't speak for others [or rather, can but shouldn't], for me it's not so much the constant high injury rate this season,, but rather the way we've played.. ..even with a more experienced side with few injuries to starting players we were showing a lack of system.. ..this was exacerbated by the fact we had to start filtering in kids/rookies which further highlighted the lack of systems in our play.. ..also, the constant moving around of players.. ..the concept of player versatility has gone too far over the last season as well.. ..how uncompetitive and lacklustre we have been over many games this season is what's inexcusable.. ..losses are m ore understandable if you're competitive, given our injury list.. ..but the crappy play [even when our list was fitter] is the problem.. Definitely. ![]() I heard Rattens press conference. This is where this came from and it shows an inconstant message. On one hand we don't blame injuries but we've had the worst run with injuries? ![]() Lets be very clear. We were struggling well before the injuries kicked in. They are now just a convenient excuse and in all truth a poor reflection on a club that is really struggling in ALL areas. |
Author: | woof [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
Our season fell apart in Round 4 and we really never recovered from then on. For a very long time we have had question marks over our ability to deal with teams who decide to make us play inside football. We are as a good as anyone when we play footy on our own terms, we fail to cope with teams who force us to play a different way. Nothing has really changed, the injuries have just mean't that we will finish outside the 8 rather than making up numbers in the 8. |
Author: | missnaut [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
Can't we just finally take some small amount of pleasure in the fact our torrid injury list is finally being acknowledged rather than turning this into yet another thread ranting about our overall on and off-field performance? |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
missnaut wrote: Can't we just finally take some small amount of pleasure in the fact our torrid injury list is finally being acknowledged rather than turning this into yet another thread ranting about our overall on and off-field performance? Really? |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
woof wrote: Our season fell apart in Round 4 and we really never recovered from then on. For a very long time we have had question marks over our ability to deal with teams who decide to make us play inside football. We are as a good as anyone when we play footy on our own terms, we fail to cope with teams who force us to play a different way. Nothing has really changed, the injuries have just mean't that we will finish outside the 8 rather than making up numbers in the 8. Well summed up! ![]() |
Author: | missnaut [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
It's taken until the end of July for the media to realise that we do have a bit of an injury problem. I'm pleased as I thought it would never happen. |
Author: | The Duke [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
There's probably a good chance that many players have been playing with injuries right from day 1. Jammo, Judd, Waite, Hendo, Kreuzer, Robbo etc etc. So although they haven't missed the games initially, they've probably played while being under a cloud then broken down due to the injury. |
Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
The Duke wrote: There's probably a good chance that many players have been playing with injuries right from day 1. Jammo, Judd, Waite, Hendo, Kreuzer, Robbo etc etc. So although they haven't missed the games initially, they've probably played while being under a cloud then broken down due to the injury. ..then we're carrying too many underdone players.. ..and most likely have on and off all season.. |
Author: | buzzaaaah [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
I am not sure why we should be happy or proud that the media is acknowledging the injury toll. The injuries we have copped this year have been crippling and have been responsible for our slide from expected top 4 to "mathematical" finals chance. But injuries are not responsible for what we have witnessed on field with effort, strategy, execution and resistance. I could cop the win-loss record but I won't cop being smashed by the Roos, Power, Saints and Crows the way we were. I won't cop the midfield domination by every team that we encounter. Especially I won't cop that a weakness exposed in Rd 4 is just as prevalent today. |
Author: | Gavstar22 [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
CARLTON Round 4 Walker was out and Carrazzo injured in game (otherwise full strength?) - Loss to Bombers CARLTON R7 (our loss to the Saints) Kreuzer Previous week injured knee not to play against GWS - Subsequently played (Fake injury or played while sore?) Chris Judd (soreness) available - Rested for GWS game INJURED: Jarrad Waite (hip) available - Soft tissue/Back - Mystery for medical staff - still not right. Curnow available Chris Yarran (toe) test (contact (with turf) initiated - but tendon soft tissue? Poorly managed in subsequent weeks - Didn't start to hit form until Rd 16 Mitch Carter (back) 1 week (not 1st Team) Rhys O’Keefe (heel) 1 week (not 1st Team) Blake Bray (shoulder) 2-3 weeks (not 1st Team) Luke Mitchell (shoulder) 2-3 weeks (not 1st Team) Jeremy Laidler (knee) 5-7 weeks (Still not back now - 10 weeks) Levi Casboult (knee) 6 weeks (not 1st Team) Simon White (knee) 6 weeks (not 1st Team) Andrew Carrazzo (fractured shoulder blade) 6 weeks - Contact injury - Fair enough Marcus Davies (shoulder) 8 weeks (not 1st Team) Sam Rowe (testicular cancer) indefinite (not 1st Team) Ok please point towards the massive injury list of our first team players for these two losses (losing Carrazzo was tough as it happened in game ). Edit, premature submission ( simultaneously on HUN as well re: Judd captaincy D'oh!)! I am confident that Carrrazzo and Murphy were handled well, Robbo's hand seems also to have been managed well. Is anyone confident in our injury management of soft tissue injuries? Does anyone one think the injury management of Yarran, Waite, Kreuzer, Henderson and now rumours about Casboult was anything like optimal? |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
buzzaaaah wrote: I am not sure why we should be happy or proud that the media is acknowledging the injury toll. The injuries we have copped this year have been crippling and have been responsible for our slide from expected top 4 to "mathematical" finals chance. But injuries are not responsible for what we have witnessed on field with effort, strategy, execution and resistance. I could cop the win-loss record but I won't cop being smashed by the Roos, Power, Saints and Crows the way we were. I won't cop the midfield domination by every team that we encounter. Especially I won't cop that a weakness exposed in Rd 4 is just as prevalent today. X2 ![]() |
Author: | Scotty12000 [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
Naut's reference was more to the fact that the AFL media don't ever give us any concessions at all. Judd could be assasinated on field and it'd take the back seat to Rioli breaking a nail. |
Author: | Sydney Blue [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
It is not so much the injury toll but who was injured and the clubs inability to fins suitable replacements Waite going down has hurt the most as there has been no one either available or good enough to fill the void left by him - could be bad planning but not have Casboult , Mitchell or Rowe up and about and ready for football hurt - couple that with Walker having injury problems and having to play more up field Carrazzo was another - no one was able to do his role - Ellard and co simply not good enough Laidler - once again we have tried to play several in his role but no one has been able to do that as good as him it has also robbed us of better using Gibbs Murphy - him going down just puts more pressure on Judd so you lose two guns Lack of a forward target Lack of midfield depth a List full of flankers and none good enough to fill Laidlers role |
Author: | club29 [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
We were pretty good up to round 4. Lost Carrazzo, Laidler (though he hobbled on) and Yaz (limping from the first quarter). Then we regrouped and chinned Freo over there. Lost waite. Murphy not far behind. They are all pretty good players. Jamo, Kruezer and Henda all in and out of fitness. Judd struggled for a bit. For me the worse was having our second tear talls all down with injury too. No doubt our team is a lot better than we are showing lately when we have close to full strength available. The club are right to review the injury situation. Mainly collision tells me we are too small. All the sore backs tell me we have missed something in our conditioning. |
Author: | The_Cranium [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
ThePsychologist wrote: missnaut wrote: Can't we just finally take some small amount of pleasure in the fact our torrid injury list is finally being acknowledged rather than turning this into yet another thread ranting about our overall on and off-field performance? Really? Don't know that pleasure is what she really meant... perhaps some solace? It has been a shocking season for injuries to those we could least afford to lose. Yes there are other problems, but I don't think its unreasonable to acknowledge that injury has played a part in the overall failure of the year |
Author: | Braithy [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
I think the injuries are the difference between us missing the 8 and being a finals team. But our full list, playing with the current structures and gameplan was never going to finish top 4 or challenge for a flag. That much has been clear since Essendon*, St Kilda and Port dismantled our gameplan and force fed it back to us. The lack of any legitimate plan B, constant revolving door of changing players forward and back and the resulting lack of forward structure has condemned us more than injuries, imo. The review into injuries should reveal we are small bodied and weaker compared to the top 4 or 5 teams in the comp. You can't bring pea shooters to a gun fight, which is essentially what we are doing when we play a top 5 team. |
Author: | missnaut [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carlton hit by worst injury crisis in a decade |
The_Cranium wrote: ThePsychologist wrote: missnaut wrote: Can't we just finally take some small amount of pleasure in the fact our torrid injury list is finally being acknowledged rather than turning this into yet another thread ranting about our overall on and off-field performance? Really? Don't know that pleasure is what she really meant... perhaps some solace? It has been a shocking season for injuries to those we could least afford to lose. Yes there are other problems, but I don't think its unreasonable to acknowledge that injury has played a part in the overall failure of the year Yeah that's what I was trying to say. Wrong choice of word. Even back in Round 4 I remember reading an article post game that said Carlton couldn't place any blame on the fact Carrazzo, Laidler and Yarran were all injured in the first quarter (All players who went on to miss multiple games) yet Michael Hurley being subbed out after half time was a factor for Essendon*... ![]() It gets tiresome as a supporter seeing the sheer inconsistency of how the media report on teams. I know the are not the sole reason for our performance this year but they are a factor and it amazes me that we have constantly seen the Bombers "injury crisis" mentioned yet comparatively little on our own situation. Also, the injuries to Murphy, Carrazzo and Simpson were all out of our control. Both Murphy and Carrazzo seemed to recover quicker than expected, let's hope Simmo does too. |
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