TalkingCarlton :: View topic - List Management 2013

i watch alot of footy and what our team is midfielders that have spark are lively curnow chooka ellard to me are all the same pace.pace gives you the space and time to spot up the forwards.So rodgers get middfielders not the lucas type but the yarran.

There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013.

Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address.

IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class.

My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial.

This is what I would be looking at:

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?

2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.

3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!

4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?

5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.

6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

ThePsychologist wrote:

Doesnt point 5 and point 6 contradict each other

Sydney Blue wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Doesnt point 5 and point 6 contradict each other

How??

Don't agree with trading out a ruckman, the fact that Casboult was our #1 ruckman on the weekend tells me we lack depth in that position, so im not keen on trading another one out. Levi and Sam Rowe are both FWD/Ruckman, not the other way around. We seemingly have 3 genuine ruckman on the list / rookie list and i think thats the absolute minimum you want to have.

Breaks my heart to think we need this thread and it's still only July. What the hell will we talk about in September??!!

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?
2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.
3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!
4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?
5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.
6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

I would start the list management by delisting or trading 4 or 5 defenders...

I'd love another mid who can win their own footy and use it well. I think we have enough outside mids to develop (including Gibbs, Yarran, Garlett, Lucas and Buckley). Caddy would be a great pick-up, but we'd probably have to give up too much. If we can pull off a trade involving Warnock or Hammer + a draft pick, I'd be happy.

Another quality tall at both ends of the ground certainly wouldn't go astray, but I'll be pissed off if we sell the farm to get Cloke. :mad:

The good thing about our current situation is that we'll probably be able to play almost every player on our list before the season's out. Guys like AJ, Bower, Brock, Collins, Curnow, Davies, Ellard, JR, ROK, T-Bird, White and possibly even Carter, Heyne & Kerr will have opportunities to show why they should be persisted with. And we can also get games into the likes of Bell, Bootsma, Casboult, Dale, Lucas, McInnes, Watson and possibly McCarthy & Mitchell.

I wonder if the AFL will allow us to put Rowe on the Rookie List like Essendon* were able to do with Ramanauskas?

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:	List Management 2013 - changes by Wed 18/9
There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013. Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address. IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class. My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial. This is what I would be looking at: 1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene? 2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc. 3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW! 4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add? 5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO. 6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is. This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

Author:	pew1 [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
i watch alot of footy and what our team is midfielders that have spark are lively curnow chooka ellard to me are all the same pace.pace gives you the space and time to spot up the forwards.So rodgers get middfielders not the lucas type but the yarran.

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
pew1 wrote: i watch alot of footy and what our team is midfielders that have spark are lively curnow chooka ellard to me are all the same pace.pace gives you the space and time to spot up the forwards.So rodgers get middfielders not the lucas type but the yarran. Agree. Part of that may be to get Yarran, Garlett running through the midfield. It will also be so important that they are good decision makers. With rolling zones etc its just a basic requirement.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:	List Management Season 2013.
ThePsychologist wrote: There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013. Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address. IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class. My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial. This is what I would be looking at: 1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene? 2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc. 3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW! 4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add? 5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO. 6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is. This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013. Doesnt point 5 and point 6 contradict each other

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
Sydney Blue wrote: ThePsychologist wrote: There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013. Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address. IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class. My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial. This is what I would be looking at: 1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene? 2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc. 3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW! 4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add? 5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO. 6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is. This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013. Doesnt point 5 and point 6 contradict each other How??

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Author:	Synbad [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
I would start the list management by delisting or trading 4 or 5 defenders...

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:	List Management Season 2013.
ThePsychologist wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: ThePsychologist wrote: There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013. Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address. IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class. My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial. This is what I would be looking at: 1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene? 2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc. 3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW! 4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add? 5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO. 6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is. This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013. Doesnt point 5 and point 6 contradict each other How?? You say not to go speculative like Duigan and Rowe but I think they are mature age which you suggest we should do

Author:	cecil89 [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
Don't agree with trading out a ruckman, the fact that Casboult was our #1 ruckman on the weekend tells me we lack depth in that position, so im not keen on trading another one out. Levi and Sam Rowe are both FWD/Ruckman, not the other way around. We seemingly have 3 genuine ruckman on the list / rookie list and i think thats the absolute minimum you want to have.

Author:	grrofunger [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
with a rookie pick not a 2nd or 3rd rounder

Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
@SB No, please read it again, I said don't waste a third rounder on a speculation pick. You can still use later picks and rookie or mature aged picks. Thats what was used on Barlow etc.

Author:	BigGartos [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
Breaks my heart to think we need this thread and it's still only July. What the hell will we talk about in September??!!

Author:	cimm1979 [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
BigGartos wrote: Breaks my heart to think we need this thread and it's still only July. What the hell will we talk about in September??!! Our upcoming prelim appearance of course.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:	List Management Season 2013.
We need to top up at the trade table we have been at the draft for years and we need to fill holes that have developed One rule dont bring in players that are struggling for game time at a team that is struggling More Laidler Scotland types and less Warnock Johnson Maclean types

Author:	harker [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
ThePsychologist wrote: 1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene? 2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc. 3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW! 4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add? 5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO. 6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is. Point nos. 1. Wouldn't surprise at all as much as it may seem a bad idea considering this weekends situation. 2. A given. We need to make room to refresh. 3. Moloney? No thanks and I'm concerned we don't put our eggs into the Goddard basket, too readily. 4. We're in an odd situation where other than the ruck-men and possibly someone who wants out, that we haven't really got much too trade. 5. As you say, we'll take on the kids from here on in, with enough players having had time to mature from our existing list. 6. Who knows, but it may come in the rookie draft.

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Author:	ThePsychologist [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
Just listening to Brian Cook on The Couch talking List Management and its importance. Interesting.

Author:	harker [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
Synbad wrote: I would start the list management by delisting or trading 4 or 5 defenders... Who would you trade. Jamison, Henderson, Laidler, Tuohy, Duigan, McInnes and Yarran are going nowhere. If Watson was as upset as some suggest, he may have been looking for an out but having been given games, things may be looking O.K. for him now. Davies? No one seems to know the tenure of the contract he was given last year and probably no great commodity having missed virtually this whole year through injury. McCarthy? Too young to be wanting to move a KPD. Coaches love him too much any way. Bootsma is the future and couldn't be considered regardless. Joseph and Armfield are contracted, so which back-men could we really trade anyway?

Author:	aboynamedsue [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: List Management Season 2013.
I'd love another mid who can win their own footy and use it well. I think we have enough outside mids to develop (including Gibbs, Yarran, Garlett, Lucas and Buckley). Caddy would be a great pick-up, but we'd probably have to give up too much. If we can pull off a trade involving Warnock or Hammer + a draft pick, I'd be happy. Another quality tall at both ends of the ground certainly wouldn't go astray, but I'll be pissed off if we sell the farm to get Cloke. The good thing about our current situation is that we'll probably be able to play almost every player on our list before the season's out. Guys like AJ, Bower, Brock, Collins, Curnow, Davies, Ellard, JR, ROK, T-Bird, White and possibly even Carter, Heyne & Kerr will have opportunities to show why they should be persisted with. And we can also get games into the likes of Bell, Bootsma, Casboult, Dale, Lucas, McInnes, Watson and possibly McCarthy & Mitchell. I wonder if the AFL will allow us to put Rowe on the Rookie List like Essendon* were able to do with Ramanauskas?