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Author: | rooboy [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Best 22 minus 9 |
Given we are missing 9 of our best 22 players this week, I thought it would be a 'fun' well 'insightful' exercise to analyse a good clubs side if they were missing 'key personnel'. So for the exercise: I want you to take away. Tuohy Hampson Henderson Walker Simpson Kreuzer Laidler Judd Waite From a side. So to relate it to another side; Tuohy = 2nd best 'small defender'. Hampson = 2nd ruck / target option Henderson = Best key defender Walker = Best mid-size forward Simpson = Best outside midfielder / best winger Kreuzer = Best ruckman Laidler = Best mid size defender Judd = Best midfielder Waite = Best forward I'll start with Collingwood this week; how do you think this team would go against Hawthorn? I'll start with Collingwood this week; how do you think this team would go against Hawthorn? B: M Clarke ---- Brown --- Tarrant HB: B Johnson --- L Keeffe --- Toovey C: Sinclair --- Luke Ball --- Blair HF: A Didak--- Goldsack --- Shaw FF: S Wellingham --- J Paine --- Krakouer R: C Wood -- Swan -- Beams I: Young -- Fasolo -- Seedsman – Elliot So who did I take out: Tuohy = O’Brien Hampson = Dawes could argue not much difference Henderson = Reid could argue not much difference Walker = Sidebottom could argue not much difference Simpson = Thomas could argue not much difference Kreuzer = Jolly could argue not much difference Laidler = Maxwell could argue not much difference Judd = Pendlebury could argue not much difference Waite = Cloke Obviously the quality is going to be a little different at times but it gives you a good idea on what we are dealing with and perspective to the current situation our coaching group / team finds itself in. Injuries aren't an excuse but they are a reason - I am starting to say they are both; I could go further and say imagine if; Lucas equivalent isn't available as well. |
Author: | Juddy&theKruezers [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
I reckon that pies team would thrash the Dogs.... |
Author: | Blue Vain [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Let me get this straight. You're taken 6 All Australian players out of their team and you're saying they're comparable to our outs? I'm having De Ja Scarponi I'd rather compare our omissions from last weeks game with Colingwood or West Coast. Would they have been smashed by the Roos? |
Author: | The Normal One [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Tarrant would play forward for starters to provide structure. Remember Ratts isn't coaching that team either. |
Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Best 22 minus 9 |
King Kenny wrote: Tarrant would play forward for starters to provide structure. Remember Ratts isn't coaching that team either. So he wouldn't throw him back in a mad panic after Cordy takes a couple of marks? |
Author: | Mil Hanna [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Shouldn't this be in TalkingAFL anyway? |
Author: | rooboy [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Yeh maybe I actually didn't know there were other forums until now lol |
Author: | The Duke [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
I think Warnock is in our best 22. Or at least, compare the pair as if he is because we don't have another ruck to replace Kreuzer or Hammer, whereas Collingwood does. |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
I try but I cannot work out our best 22 at the moment and that is damning. Don't worry about anyone else look at our list. Who on that list has made any type of improvement in 2012?? Forget wins and loses, thats it in a nutshell, it shows we have major problems and things need to change. |
Author: | rooboy [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Let's go through the list then; CANT JUDGE DUE TO INJURY ALL YEAR 1) Waker - injured now for long periods x 2, no continuity - unfair to judge. 3) Murphy - injured season Kreuzer - injured all yr basically or playing injured 11) Warnock - injured 13) Yarran - injured, now getting back to where he was 15) Laidler - injured 17) Rowe - Ill cancer 20) O'Keeffe - injured, vfl form recently good 23) Henderson - injured / when playing continues to improve but if he has op like others suggest he can't improve 25) Mitchell - played well today - been injured tho for 2 seasons 30) Waite - injured 31) Davies - injured 37) Heyne - injured 41) Casboult - tonight showed he has improved / been injured 43) White - injured HAS IMPROVED 10) Watson - improved out of sight this season 12) Robinson - continues to improve 14) McLean - improved massively 16 ) Collins - improving 19) Betts - gone to another level 22) Hampson - for mine improved 26) McInnes - massive improvement 35) Curnow - has improved 42) Tuohy - continues to improve 44) Carrazzo - think he has improved 47) Carter - has improved but isn't good enough HASN"T IMPROVED 2) Russell - insipid as always - think he is physically and mentally finished 4) Gibbs - hasn't improved 9) Lucas - showed more this yr than last but still not at the level since yr 1 34) Duigan - hasn't improved 36) Kerr - hasn't improved 38) Garlett - has been poor, very inconsistent 40) Jamison - injured / poor form HAS REACHED THERE LEVEL 5) Judd - still been Judd for mine? 6) Simpson - still be the Simmo we know and love 18) Bower - good early in yr but he is finished now surelY? 27) Armfield - better this yr than last but inconsistent 29) Scotland - 32 is going to de-prove if anything lol 32) Thornton - he is what he is 45) Joseph - hard to judge, in and out of team, he is what he is a bit he isn't going to be able to get much better 46) Ellard - has got everything out of himself. YEAR 1 / YR 2 7) Buckley - year 1 21) Bootsma - yr 1 24) McCarthy - yr 2 hard to judge still very skinny 28) Bell - yr 1 but improving 39) Dale - 1st yr |
Author: | ThePsychologist [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
Rooboy. Nice list. Of your improved. 10. Watson Yes, when finally played 12. Robinson. about the same as last year 14. McLean, Back to where he was years ago but still slow 16. Collins, now he is not injured and finally getting games 19. Betts? Now main target but was good last year as well 22. Played a couple of good games early but crucified as a forward 26. Could always play 35 Curnow NO 42 Touhy YES 44 Carrazzo Same as always and look at all the rest on your list. Not impressive is it? |
Author: | club29 [ Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
ThePsychologist wrote: Rooboy. Nice list. Of your improved. 10. Watson Yes, when finally played Could be argued good development. Not rushed and worked on things week to week in the reserves. 12. Robinson. about the same as last year Better than last year. Smarter not knocking himself out falling back after marks. Playing more onball.14. McLean, Back to where he was years ago but still slow 16. Collins, now he is not injured and finally getting games 19. Betts? Now main target but was good last year as well 22. Played a couple of good games early but crucified as a forward 26. Could always play Injury riddled couple of years. Now has strung games together looks good. 35 Curnow NO Better than last year. He was terrible this time last year. Looks to be going ok now as a role player. 42 Touhy YES 44 Carrazzo Same as always Playing to a level i didnt think he would reach this year. Shame about the shoulder. and look at all the rest on your list. Not impressive is it? Players are on the improve. Unfortunately the players we needed to improve and would have got their opportunity got injured as well. Casboult, White, Mitchell and Davies all would have had a good run of games had they not got injured. Strange year for the Blue boys. Lets hope its a step back to go forward. Like trying to improve your golf swing. |
Author: | jim [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Best 22 minus 9 |
ThePsychologist wrote: Rooboy. Nice list. Of your improved. 10. Watson Yes, when finally played 12. Robinson. about the same as last year 14. McLean, Back to where he was years ago but still slow 16. Collins, now he is not injured and finally getting games 19. Betts? Now main target but was good last year as well 22. Played a couple of good games early but crucified as a forward 26. Could always play 35 Curnow NO 42 Touhy YES 44 Carrazzo Same as always and look at all the rest on your list. Not impressive is it? What it means anyone, that's all of us, can rationalise anything to suit an argument. Last year it really looked like we were developing, no one could argue with that. Players played well, Ratts coached well, injuries stopped us making a preliminary final. This year, full of injuries, as we've seen above, not so good, negative/conservative coaching we've hit a blip on the radar. What we have found this year is just about every kid we've promoted has shown something. That could be the one positive we take out of the year going forward. Makes our depth look better. With less negative/conservative coaching we would've have done better in that regard, although much of our depth, including some of those kids, have been injured too. Problem is intensity and effort have been the things to deteriorate more so than players, who we can't tell much about because most have been injured. Ratts has done a great job getting us from a "nothing basket-case" to the point of challenging but things this year indicate we may need a change there just to take us to the next final step or two. Had a bad year but it might simply be the blip on the radar, which happens to many rising sides, giving us a wake up to us that just a bit of change is needed rather than go along as we are. We not as far away as many think. |
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