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Author:  caulfieldrover [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:56 pm ]
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1. Pick fit players, pick inform players, therefore pick the best available, formula and process doesn't change.

2. Forwards - 2 Talls, 2 Mediums, 2 smalls

3. Backs - 2 Talls, 2 Mediums, 2 smalls

4. Rucks - 2 Ruckman

5. Onball - Inside & Outside players

6 Bench - 1 of the Ruckman, 1 tall, 1 medium, 1 small.

7 Sub player - Must be a medium sized swingman

Problem is the balance on our list is all wrong. Essentially you need to have two teams ready to go like the old days.

So every player in the team has an understudy for when they are injured or out of form.

We have too many half back flankers these days.

Time to delist and play money ball to get what we need.

Swans can do it why cant we?
Author:  Synbad [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:59 pm ]
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caulfieldrover wrote:
1. Pick fit players, pick inform players, therefore pick the best available, formula and process doesn't change.

2. Forwards - 2 Talls, 2 Mediums, 2 smalls

3. Backs - 2 Talls, 2 Mediums, 2 smalls

4. Rucks - 2 Ruckman

5. Onball - Inside & Outside players

6 Bench - 1 of the Ruckman, 1 tall, 1 medium, 1 small.

7 Sub player - Must be a medium sized swingman

Problem is the balance on our list is all wrong. Essentially you need to have two teams ready to go like the old days.

So every player in the team has an understudy for when they are injured or out of form.

We have too many half back flankers these days.

Time to delist and play money ball to get what we need.

Swans can do it why cant we?Swans can do it why cant we?


We're Carlton @#$%&! the rest!!!
Author:  The Normal One [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:04 pm ]
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Play with a structure. 2 key forwards to start with.
Author:  Navy Blue Horse [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:10 pm ]
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King Kenny wrote:
Play with a structure. 2 key forwards to start with.



That we don't have
Author:  The Normal One [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:11 pm ]
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Play with a structure. 2 key forwards to start with.



That we don't have


We do. They may not be ready, but they are worth investing games in.
Author:  Heavs [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 pm ]
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Don't miss goals from thirty out in front. ratten is a shit kick
Author:  in8 [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 pm ]
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King Kenny wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Play with a structure. 2 key forwards to start with.



That we don't have


We do. They may not be ready, but they are worth investing games in.
They don't even have the fitness to play a full AFL game yet.
Author:  The Normal One [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:16 pm ]
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in8 wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
[quote="King Kenny"]Play with a structure. 2 key forwards to start with.



That we don't have


We do. They may not be ready, but they are worth investing games in.
They don't even have the fitness to play a full AFL game yet.[/quote]

Ok then, let's keep going with the Betts and Duigan structure :-)
Author:  caulfieldrover [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:18 pm ]
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We have most of the players, match committee isnt prepared to make tough calls on players.

Ratten has his favorites and always picks them.

This year Jamison, Henderson, Walker, Waite, Yarran and Murphy have been played when not fit.

Next week, we need to play Bower, Thornton and Casbolt

Back
McInness (BP)
Jamison (FB)
Watson (CHB)

Forward
Thornton
Waite
Gibbs

Rucks
Kruezer
Casbolt
Author:  Donstuie [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:20 pm ]
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in8 wrote:
They don't even have the fitness to play a full AFL game yet.

Which would be awful as it might cause us to lose games by 10 goals or more :yikes:
Author:  Megaman [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:21 pm ]
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Play unfit rookie KF/rucks then complain when the get injured
Author:  The Normal One [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:29 pm ]
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Megaman wrote:
Play unfit rookie KF/rucks then complain when the get injured


So why play them in the reserves?
Author:  in8 [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:31 pm ]
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Donstuie wrote:
in8 wrote:
They don't even have the fitness to play a full AFL game yet.

Which would be awful as it might cause us to lose games by 10 goals or more :yikes:
It's not about wins or losses. It's about their development. Throwing them to the wolves when they have neither the fitness nor the ability to compete at AFL level benefits no one. At best you're hoping their confidence doesn't get destroyed.
Author:  Synbad [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:36 pm ]
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Thats ludicrous.

Development for Casboult???

We have to make a call on his place on the list end of this season....

Unless were developing him for Port Melbourne.

Anyway... ill make a call on Casboult... hes not going to make it.

Cos hes not good enough......
Author:  caulfieldrover [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:41 pm ]
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Levi is no better or worse than Jumping Jack down at Geelong.

Difference we refuse to play Gibbs as our Steve J.

Levi looked pretty fit down at Frankston last Sunday.

Its time to put him in as 3rd forward or 2nd ruck.

List management is all wrong so we dont have right balance of KPPs. Too many flanker types.
Author:  Donstuie [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:46 pm ]
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in8 wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
in8 wrote:
They don't even have the fitness to play a full AFL game yet.

Which would be awful as it might cause us to lose games by 10 goals or more :yikes:
It's not about wins or losses. It's about their development. Throwing them to the wolves when they have neither the fitness nor the ability to compete at AFL level benefits no one. At best you're hoping their confidence doesn't get destroyed.

You're right, it isn't about wins or losses now, so who gives a shit if we have to sub off a new guy halfway into a game because his fitness isn't up to par yet? Isn't that what player management is all about? Or are we left with no choice but to leave them out there until their shoulder pops?

Also, I'm really over this "destroying their confidence" stuff. Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but seeing how well our nice guy brigade are travelling at present, I can think of worse things than giving a young guy an early taste of the big league and then going into a preseason with a full understanding of what will be required. Might be just the thing to "make a man out of him". We need to stop mollie-coddling these guys and teach them to grow some balls.
Author:  in8 [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:47 pm ]
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Levi's played one week of VFL after a long layoff and didn't have a big tank to begin with. Promoting him now is guaranteeing his failure. Let him string a couple of games together in the VFL first and give him an opportunity in the last few rounds.
Author:  The Normal One [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:48 pm ]
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Murphy didn't play VFL after a long lay off.
Author:  4thchicken [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:51 pm ]
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King Kenny wrote:
Murphy didn't play VFL after a long lay off.


murphy
- would have been running for most of the time off
- established player
- top line midfielder with good skills (which were rusty tonight)

casboult
- had a knee injury that would have prevented running/limited his fitness base
- hasn't played a game
- tall

notice the difference?
Author:  in8 [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:51 pm ]
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King Kenny wrote:
Murphy didn't play VFL after a long lay off.
Murphy is one of the best midfielders in the league coming back from a shoulder. There's no comparison to a slow tall coming back from a knee injury.
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