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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:29 pm 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

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Mark Maclure's six-point plan
1. Unite the playing group
2. Inject youth
3. Build confidence with senior players
4. Show leadership
5. Forget yesterday
6. The coach will be judged


For more detail, you can watch Mark expand on these points in the first episode of The Blue Print -> http://www.carltonfc.com.au/cfctv/thebl ... fault.aspx

Points 1-5 are okay, I guess. But WTF is point 6? That's not part of a plan, that's just commentary. :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:35 pm 
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I think he's saying it's a 5 point plan. And once you've done all that, then you judge the coach.

My question would be:

If the playing group isn't currently united, and senior players currently lack confidence, and youth hasn't been injected.... well, FMD but isn't that enough to already judge the coach on??


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:56 pm 
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You would have him on the board in a heart beat. He cuts through.

Also notice how the first player he mentions under injecting youth is Lucas. Concerns me how armchair army like myself held these veiws 6 weeks ago and Lucas still doesn't get a game. FWIW. Lucas has played in one loss this year out of his 6 or 7 games.

The footballers definition of injecting youth is a realisation that the players that got you into the sh**T won't get you out of it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:05 pm 
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Wears his heart on his sleeve - but he is a jibberer - Always has been always will be

But at least he says what he thinks most of the time

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:29 pm 
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No 7 is a don't

"ADELAIDE'S Sam Jacobs admits he tries to base his game around that of West Coast star Dean Cox, but statistics show he is actually doing a better job than the five-time All Australian was at the same point in his career.

On the eve of his 50th AFL match this weekend, Jacobs is averaging more disposals, hit-outs and marks than Cox was back in 2003."

Don't trade players like Jacobs

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:46 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/140416/default.aspx

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Mark Maclure's six-point plan
1. Unite the playing group
2. Inject youth
3. Build confidence with senior players
4. Show leadership
5. Forget yesterday
6. The coach will be judged


For more detail, you can watch Mark expand on these points in the first episode of The Blue Print -> http://www.carltonfc.com.au/cfctv/thebl ... fault.aspx

Points 1-5 are okay, I guess. But WTF is point 6? That's not part of a plan, that's just commentary. :razz:


That not a plan it's an idea! How?

Might as well said we will make the finals by winning games. :banghead:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:00 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Don't trade players like Jacobs


You do realise he walked out on the club to return to his home state, don't you?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:09 pm 
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Am I the only person who doesn't have much time for Maclures media crap!
He gets too many things wrong, consistently! Sour bloke who holds grudges forever.

My 1 point plan:
Consistently kick a higher score than the opposition!

This idea, if done correctly, would solve all of our problems

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:16 pm 
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He said on 360 that Ratts is gone at the end of the year and i has been clear for some time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:17 pm 
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Just listened to him on 360. Said Ratten will be gone by years end and he has known that for a while.

Might be gone earlier if the lose to Pies & Roos.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:21 pm 
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If he is definitely gone at the end of the year (which I don't think he should be), may as well do it now.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:55 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:
Don't trade players like Jacobs


You do realise he walked out on the club to return to his home state, don't you?
Yeah he did it for a reason.
Maybe "let go" rather than "traded". The result is the same.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:10 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Stamos wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:
Don't trade players like Jacobs


You do realise he walked out on the club to return to his home state, don't you?
Yeah he did it for a reason.
Maybe "let go" rather than "traded". The result is the same.


But we didn't have a choice in the matter


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:21 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Stamos wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:
Don't trade players like Jacobs


You do realise he walked out on the club to return to his home state, don't you?
Yeah he did it for a reason.
Maybe "let go" rather than "traded". The result is the same.


It was obvious to Sauce that he was behind Hampson, Warnock and Kreuzer in the coaches and match committee's eyes. It was obvious to most of us that he was and is far better than Hampson and Warnock and should have been kept and could have been kept with minimal encouragement and intervention.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:39 am 
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Stamos wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:
Don't trade players like Jacobs


You do realise he walked out on the club to return to his home state, don't you?


Thats because we got Warnock and he wa going to be 4th in line
Cant blame him wanting to return home


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:15 am 
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If a coach is 100% gone by year's end that kind of makes his position untenable.

Unless they have had a private agreement that Ratten will "do his best" to manage the list to where it needs to be for pre-season and list review and he's happy to do that... but I just can't see a disappointed, out of work coach having 100% focus on the playing group.

Nor the other way around.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:57 am 
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teknodeejay wrote:
If a coach is 100% gone by year's end that kind of makes his position untenable.

Unless they have had a private agreement that Ratten will "do his best" to manage the list to where it needs to be for pre-season and list review and he's happy to do that... but I just can't see a disappointed, out of work coach having 100% focus on the playing group.

Nor the other way around.


When Kernahan came out last week and mumbled something about 'ratts is the coach but if that changes we'll let you know' on 3AW, it made Ratten's tenure completely unworkable. Everyone know's he's gone now.

They have to keep Kernahan away from the media, because he tends to put his foot in it every time. Amazing that Swann has been silent throughout this. If I was cynical, I'd say that some people are happy to give sticks the rope he needs to hang himself.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:14 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't have much time for Maclures media crap!
He gets too many things wrong, consistently! Sour bloke who holds grudges forever.

My 1 point plan:
Consistently kick a higher score than the opposition!

This idea, if done correctly, would solve all of our problems


No, you're not the only one. He makes me cringe, often.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:14 pm 
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What's happening at the moment is unfortunate, but was completely foreseeable IMO. Possibly even inevitable. Many of us understood the reasons for Ratten's appointment in late 2007 ('putting the Carlton back in Carlton', easy sell to members after the Pagan years, good footy brain etc), but had serious reservations at the time that he was going to be the coach to guide us to the promised land. For some reason, I've always had an 'interim coach' feeling about Ratten's appointment.

I really wanted Ratten to succeed (I still do), but I've never been able to picture him as a premiership coach. I get the impression that the club has shared my doubts all along, but, like me, hoped that Ratten would grow and develop into an elite coach. From the outside looking in, he certainly appeared to improve (perhaps surrounding him with some of the best credentialed assistants helped) but I honestly think the club has now made up its mind up that he's taken us as far as he can. We need someone else to take us to the next level. As Maclure said on 360 last night, Ratten may or may not see the season out - but he won't be in charge next year.

Ratten should be proud of what he's achieved - he helped us off the floor and walked us slowly to the window. The window is open but he can't find a way to get us through it. Time for him to step aside, IMO.

He comes across as a ripping bloke, a passionate Carlton man (I dare say he loves the club as much or more than any supporter) and a very knowledgeable footy person. But as Maclure said, the role of AFL Coach has evolved to the point of being comparable in corporate terms to a GM or CEO of a major company. Does anyone see Ratten that way? Is he an effective 'coach of the coaches'? Or is he a well-meaning, very hard-working, ex-champion player and massive footy head?

I'm the first to admit that it's risky to assess the performance of coaches unless you're inside the club, but Ratten certainly gives the impression (and, like it or not, perception is reality in this business) of being in over his head as an AFL Head Coach. I don't think that's "Ratten bashing", it's just my opinion based on my observations over the last 5 years.

Believe it or not, I love the bloke. However, I love the club more.

He would be terrific as a line coach at AFL level, or even a senior coach at VFL level. It's probably unrealistic, but I'd love him to stay on at Carlton as midfield or forward coach. Give him one area of football to focus on, rather than manage an entire department. I doubt very much that will happen (I don't think he'll want to hang around when the axe falls, and you couldn't blame his successor for not being comfortable working with the man he replaced).

What I don't want is for Ratten to be the scapegoat for all of our problems. The entire club needs to be looked at - the President, CEO, Board, fitness/medical staff, assistant coaches, players, recruiting staff, communications, marketing - I would expect minor or major changes in all those areas over the summer.

Can we trust the people in charge to cause a comprehensive review of all aspects of the club's operation? And if the review is legitimately independent, can we trust the club to act appropriately on all recommendations? Can we trust the club to follow a sound process in identifying and appointing a long-term replacement coach?

I guess we have no choice...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:19 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
What's happening at the moment is unfortunate, but was completely foreseeable IMO. Possibly even inevitable. Many of us understood the reasons for Ratten's appointment in late 2007 ('putting the Carlton back in Carlton', easy sell to members after the Pagan years, good footy brain etc), but had serious reservations at the time that he was going to be the coach to guide us to the promised land.

I really wanted Ratten to succeed (I still do), but I've never been able to picture him as a premiership coach. I get the impression that the club has shared my doubts all along, but, like me, hoped that Ratten would grow and develop into an elite coach. From the outside looking in, he certainly appeared to improve (perhaps surrounding him with some of the best credentialed assistants helped) but I honestly think the club has now made up its mind up that he's taken us as far as he can. We need someone else to take us to the next level. As Maclure said on 360 last night, Ratten may or may not see the season out - but he won't be in charge next year.

Ratten should be proud of what he's achieved - he helped us off the floor and walked us slowly to the window. The window is open but he can't find a way to get us through it. Time for him to step aside, IMO.

He comes across as a ripping bloke, a passionate Carlton man (I dare say he loves the club as much or more than any supporter) and a very knowledgeable footy person. But as Maclure said, the role of AFL Coach has evolved to the point of being comparable in corporate terms to a GM or CEO of a major company. Does anyone see Ratten that way? Is he an effective 'coach of the coaches'? Or is he a well-meaning, very hard-working, ex-champion player and massive footy head?

I'm the first to admit that it's risky to assess the performance of coaches unless you're inside the club, but Ratten certainly gives the impression (and, like it or not, perception is reality in this business) of being in over his head as an AFL Head Coach. I don't think that's "Ratten bashing", it's just my opinion based on my observations over the last 5 years.

Believe it or not, but I love the bloke. However, I love the club more.

He would be terrific as a line coach at AFL level, or even a senior coach at VFL level. It's probably unrealistic, but I'd love him to stay on at Carlton as midfield or forward coach. Give him one area of football to focus on, rather than manage an entire department. I doubt very much that will happen (I don't think he'll want to hang around when the axe falls, and you couldn't blame his successor for not being comfortable working with the man he replaced).

What I don't want is for Ratten to be the scapegoat for all of our problems. The entire club needs to be looked at - the President, CEO, Board, fitness/medical staff, assistant coaches, players, recruiting staff, communications, marketing - I would expect minor or major changes in all those areas over the summer.

Can we trust the people in charge to cause a comprehensive review of all aspects of the club's operation? And if the review is legitimately independent, can we trust the club to act appropriately on all recommendations? Can we trust the club to follow a sound process in identifying and appointing a long-term replacement coach?

I guess we have no choice...


Ripping post that. :clap:

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