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Author: | The Rhino [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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Who knows how that would have affected the future as we know it. Lets be completely ridiculously revisionist and revist every year's off-season moves since Ratts took the helm and see just how good our list could have been. Aunties with balls for everyone! 2007/2008
2008/2009
2009/2010
2010/2011
2011/2012
After all that madness you end up with a list of:
The moral of the story? * - We're only about $10 mill over the salary cap. Good news for Visy and the environment. * - Even with the ability of hindsight, we still recruit more half back flankers * - Probably wouldn't be that much closer to a premiership * - We really didn't recruit that badly in recent years. |
Author: | grrofunger [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:01 pm ] |
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how was marty gonna end up with lorraine when marty knew she was his mum? unless she jumped him after her dad hit him with the car and he was passed out in her room there was really no threat to this scenario happening |
Author: | The Rhino [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:04 pm ] |
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Quote: unless she jumped him after her dad hit him with the car and he was passed out in her room This. (or the Libyans/a wizard did it) |
Author: | DocSherrin III [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:07 pm ] |
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Author: | gersh27 [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:13 pm ] |
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grrofunger wrote: how was marty gonna end up with lorraine when marty knew she was his mum? unless she jumped him after her dad hit him with the car and he was passed out in her room there was really no threat to this scenario happening ![]() |
Author: | The Rhino [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:19 pm ] |
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In conclusion, I'd rather speculate about what would happen if incest occurred in a kid's film rather than think about how crap our club is at the moment. Coming up next, Twilight: If the wolf and the vampire both got a turn.... |
Author: | kingkerna [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:31 am ] |
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nice work Rhino |
Author: | Donstuie [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:34 am ] |
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1.21 GIGAWATTS????? |
Author: | aboynamedsue [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:06 pm ] |
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That was a fun read. I actually don't think recruiting has been our biggest problem in recent years. Sure, we haven't nailed every pick but overall I reckon it hasn't been too bad. I say that because I look at our list and there's a lot of talented footballers who aren't playing well at the moment. That can't be the fault of the recruiters. Not saying recruiting shouldn't be part of a full club review, but my impression is that recruiting hasn't been as big of a problem as some other areas of the club. Room for improvement, but there are bigger problems at the club, IMO. But if we're going to talk list management, I think trading has been more of a problem than drafting for us. The big one for me is the Brock trade. We paid way over the odds, particularly when you consider how cheaply Kennedy (Swans) and Ball (Collingwood) went that year (and Tuck was on the table cheaper too). It seemed so obvious to everyone except Carlton at the time. In the spirit of this thread, imagine if we'd pulled off the following in the 2009 trade week: Kennedy + pick #46 from Hawthorn for pick #27 + #59 Henderson + pick #12 from Brisbane for Fevola + picks #43 + #46 We could have had picks #11 (Lucas), #12 (Talia) and #73 (Kerr) that year. And if we hadn't gone for Brock, we might have had enough room in the salary cap to keep Grigg in 2010. So instead of Brock + Davies + Collins we'd have Kennedy + Talia + Grigg on our list right now. Not saying that would have made all the difference in the world, but I think it's fair to say the Brock trade (which everyone seems to say was Ratten's idea) was a balls up of the Devonport/McGuane/O'Reilly/Mansfield variety. Brock is playing some OK footy at the moment, but who here wouldn't love seeing Juddy in the guts with Kennedy and Talia holding down CHB right now? Then again, Kennedy and Talia probably wouldn't be the same players if they had walked into our club instead of Sydney and Adelaide.... Which brings us to the real problems.... |
Author: | DocSherrin III [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:13 pm ] |
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aboynamedsue wrote: In the spirit of this thread, imagine if we'd pulled off the following in the 2009 trade week: Kennedy + pick #46 from Hawthorn for pick #27 + #59 They should have listened to me... viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26390&p=967497&hilit=Kennedy+gun#p967497 |
Author: | Pafloyul [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:21 pm ] |
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That's just one scenario and the object is to come out of this mess in the best shape possible, not simply to reverse back to this list's past peak. We don't have the courage of our convictions. As soon as people speak up about things, we get all defensive. It sounds just like Sticks. ![]() |
Author: | aboynamedsue [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:42 pm ] |
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DocSherrin wrote: aboynamedsue wrote: In the spirit of this thread, imagine if we'd pulled off the following in the 2009 trade week: Kennedy + pick #46 from Hawthorn for pick #27 + #59 They should have listened to me... viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26390&p=967497&hilit=Kennedy+gun#p967497 Good call Doc ![]() I wonder how he would have gone with us? Unfortunately, I'm not confident that we would have got the best out of Kennedy as the Swans have done. As depressing as it is, there are a number of players on our list who I think would be better players if they were at different clubs.... Why aren't we getting the best out of our players? Do we put the entire blame on the coaching staff? FWIW - I think the coaching staff should take their share of the responsibility, but unfortunately I fear the problems extend beyond that. |
Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:50 pm ] |
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So you're saying we could have had a forward line with Kennedy, Darling, Crameri, Walker, Betts and Garlett? But we've done okay? ![]() |
Author: | DocSherrin III [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:53 pm ] |
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Kennedy's last 6 weeks with Hawthorn was awesome...I've no idea why they didn't offer him the cash he wanted. Still - it's worked out for him, but it was pretty obvious to see that he was going to be pretty good. I'm not sure where the problem lies. I can't help but think back to when Craig Bradley was helping with our preseason in 2010 and him running behind Gibbs and Robinson with his hand in their backs as they were doing laps saying 'if you want to play in the midfield - this is the pace you need to be going...' Fast forward to 2012 and it was quite obvious to me at a preseason session that Gibbs, Robbo and others needed that hand in the back, but weren't getting it. |
Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:54 pm ] |
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Midfield goes okay too I reckon... ![]() |
Author: | The Rhino [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:59 pm ] |
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Its a similar reason for why I don't want Roos at all. Developed a great side on trading for other club's discards out of necessity. Bringing that approach to the club with our current administration in place, only gives carte blanche for the status quo of trading high draft picks for washed up players, under a different banner. "Oh yep, we traded a first rounder for Kane Cornes, not because its what we've done to death as a club for the past 20 years, or that Sticks has hounded Roosy for months until he caved....but yeah, Roosy saw potential in him. Y'know...Moneyball and all that shit.. |
Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:12 pm ] |
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The Rhino wrote: Its a similar reason for why I don't want Roos at all. Developed a great side on trading for other club's discards out of necessity. Bringing that approach to the club with our current administration in place, only gives carte blanche for the status quo of trading high draft picks for washed up players, under a different banner. "Oh yep, we traded a first rounder for Kane Cornes, not because its what we've done to death as a club for the past 20 years, or that Sticks has hounded Roosy for months until he caved....but yeah, Roosy saw potential in him. Y'know...Moneyball and all that shit.. You say Roos did that out of necessity. If it wasn't a necessity what's to say that he'd do the same again at a different club? |
Author: | The Rhino [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:11 pm ] |
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Then he's essentially an unproven candidate. Won a flag, nearly won another and remained competitive for the length of his tenure, using a gameplan that wasn't anywhere near as effective outside of a postage stamp ground, and a recruiting policy that was based on the necessity of remaining competitive in the Sydney market against NRL, union, soccer etc. With Lyon's saintsfooty not proving successful on the bigger ground at Subi, its a big gamble for the club to get him to try and get our current squad to do what they're not cut out to do, or ask him to come up with something different. At the same time, I think its a sneaky way of justifying continuance of shitty trade policies. Not that its a chance, mind you, and for us to continue to say otherwise, is probably disrespectful to Sherrin. |
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