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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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Do some posters still believe we know what we are doing?

Shambles and a laughing stock. Particularly if it is true there are two board members that won’t vote for Lyon.


That doesn't mean it's a shambles. Surely if there is a majority, they win. If it's 50/50 there must be a process (I would imagine Sayers makes the call) no?


This club is a shambles. Not just referring to the coaching merry go round. Has been for a very long time.

Surely, if Teague is not the right person, then he would have been sacked by now. Instead he is conducting exit interviews.


Who is better qualified to do the exit interviews? :?
Surely Teague knows what has been expected of individual players and what roles they were given. He's contracted for another year. If he cant do the job properly, he should re-consider having any future role in the AFL.


By approaching Clarkson and Lyon before the review was finalised, we have effectively said to Teague you are not the appropriate person to take us forward. Let’s stop kidding ourselves. In this scenario, he should have been sacked before today. My point was not necessarily about him conducting the interviews. Obviously, he is still there and in the best position to conduct those interviews. Although, they become redundant if there is a new coach, who has completely different views.



I thought the review was to assess the performance of the whole of the Footy department, not just to rubber stamp replacement of the coach. The review may have stated that Teague can coach but there needs to be other changes and support mechanisms around him given his new to the senior coach role whilst also adding this could also be overcome by replacing Teague with a more experienced senior coach? Sacking Teague may not be a "fait accompli".


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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carntheblues wrote:
WOW wrote:
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Do some posters still believe we know what we are doing?

Shambles and a laughing stock. Particularly if it is true there are two board members that won’t vote for Lyon.


That doesn't mean it's a shambles. Surely if there is a majority, they win. If it's 50/50 there must be a process (I would imagine Sayers makes the call) no?


This club is a shambles. Not just referring to the coaching merry go round. Has been for a very long time.

Surely, if Teague is not the right person, then he would have been sacked by now. Instead he is conducting exit interviews.


Who is better qualified to do the exit interviews? :?
Surely Teague knows what has been expected of individual players and what roles they were given. He's contracted for another year. If he cant do the job properly, he should re-consider having any future role in the AFL.


By approaching Clarkson and Lyon before the review was finalised, we have effectively said to Teague you are not the appropriate person to take us forward. Let’s stop kidding ourselves. In this scenario, he should have been sacked before today. My point was not necessarily about him conducting the interviews. Obviously, he is still there and in the best position to conduct those interviews. Although, they become redundant if there is a new coach, who has completely different views.



I thought the review was to assess the performance of the whole of the Footy department, not just to rubber stamp replacement of the coach. The review may have stated that Teague can coach but there needs to be other changes and support mechanisms around him given his new to the senior coach role whilst also adding this could also be overcome by replacing Teague with a more experienced senior coach? Sacking Teague may not be a "fait accompli".[/quote]



I'd be surprised if the review made any recommendations for any specific individual to go.
More likely more general recommendations like "need more experience in assistants", or "X and Y are not a good combination". More resources needed in this area, eg development.

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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I thought the review was to assess the performance of the whole of the Footy department, not just to rubber stamp replacement of the coach. The review may have stated that Teague can coach but there needs to be other changes and support mechanisms around him given his new to the senior coach role whilst also adding this could also be overcome by replacing Teague with a more experienced senior coach? Sacking Teague may not be a "fait accompli".

I'd be surprised if the review made any recommendations for any specific individual to go.
More likely more general recommendations like "need more experience in assistants", or "X and Y are not a good combination". More resources needed in this area, eg development.


Agree with the first bit - The ex-pres claimed publicly the review wasn’t specifically of the coach solely, then the media were the ones that threw the bait in the water that this was strictly a performance appraisal of Teague. The general football public grabbed the bait easily and ran with it coz let’s face it, Teague’s been shit all season (at best).

Teague was then the one who made it all about him, playing victim in this self-fulfilling prophecy; throwing in the towel in pressers and pre-empting the findings of the review, already waving the white flag and taking pot shots at the board and the club in the process. His sidekick Pickers then spoke publicly out of turn, sullied the captain (as a proxy voice for Teague) and solidified the untenability of Teague’s continuance.

As I said earlier, if his onfield performance (or lack thereof) hadn’t sealed his fate, his off-field performance in recent weeks certainly has. Will take a lot to move forward and the pressure will be unreal if so…


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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In a way I'm glad Clarkson is out of the running. I was finding myself conflicted and had started to convince myself that he was the best choice for the club. Now I can just go back to hating the cauliflower

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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In a way I'm glad Clarkson is out of the running. I was finding myself conflicted and had started to convince myself that he was the best choice for the club. Now I can just go back to hating the cauliflower


Me too Cranium .... me too

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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I am so used to Carlton coaches failing and being replaced that I feel completely unmoved by any announcement of a new coach and will not be smiling at the no-doubt positive spin promoted in the off-season about anything Carlton, until we beat Richmond in round 1. I will be there hoping


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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Not sure what y'all are on about. I never wanted the cauliflower and wouldn't have renewed my membership had he got the gig.

There was never a "oh well maybe.....". Nup, the guy's a sniping @#$%&! knuckle and should get fined for driving down Royal parade.

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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robertbb wrote:
Not sure what y'all are on about. I never wanted the cauliflower and wouldn't have renewed my membership had he got the gig.

There was never a "oh well maybe.....". Nup, the guy's a sniping @#$%&! knuckle and should get fined for driving down Royal parade.


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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carntheblues wrote:
I am so used to Carlton coaches failing and being replaced that I feel completely unmoved by any announcement of a new coach and will not be smiling at the no-doubt positive spin promoted in the off-season about anything Carlton, until we beat Richmond in round 1. I will be there hoping



Yep its like the rocky and bull winkle show.

Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat, this time for sure....

Only for it to eventually lead to a series of shit performances and the next coach "inherited a mess".


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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I’m with you guys. Relief as I think he’s past his best. Don’t buy into the last 4 or so games.


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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 Post subject: Alastair Clarkson
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I’m with you guys. Relief as I think he’s past his best. Don’t buy into the last 4 or so games.


Likely just a dead cat bounce at the end there.


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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thryleon wrote:
I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.


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tap in 79 wrote:
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I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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jezzarules wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
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I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.


Well, we had better talk to Rowell and or Anderson this trade period then.


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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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jezzarules wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
thryleon wrote:
I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.


Well, we had better talk to Rowell and or Anderson this trade period then.


Absolutely

That sort of interference shows how corrupt The AFL Commission is...the Agenda based Commission trying to cover up its wastefulness and failures with the GCS and GWS failures: Demetriou's gamble.

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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jezzarules wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
thryleon wrote:
I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.



Alistair Clarkson was very close to signing with Carlton, according to sources. Jeff Kennett stepped in & demanded Carlton pay out full value of contract (up to $1.4 million). AFL intervened & agreed with Kennett. Believed there’s an AFL-led push for Clarko to Gold Coast in 2023.
10:36 AM · Aug 26, 2021

If the above was true, what would be stopping Clarkson from declaring his preference and together with the Blues calling the AFL on restraint of trade - esp if if Sayers is a corporate big-wig....

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 Post subject: Re: Alastair Clarkson
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azzurro wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
thryleon wrote:
I've been of the opinion Clarkson to gws is the AFL's want.

Cameron has coached well based on what he had to work with, but he's been bleeding talent for years, has had 8 years with that mob, missed finals last year, and they need a long term messiah type to make that franchise work.


The AFL will definitely engineer it so that Clarkson gets to either GWS or Gold Coast.

The wants of a Victorian club are rather trivial in comparison.



Alistair Clarkson was very close to signing with Carlton, according to sources. Jeff Kennett stepped in & demanded Carlton pay out full value of contract (up to $1.4 million). AFL intervened & agreed with Kennett. Believed there’s an AFL-led push for Clarko to Gold Coast in 2023.
10:36 AM · Aug 26, 2021

If the above was true, what would be stopping Clarkson from declaring his preference and together with the Blues calling the AFL on restraint of trade - esp if if Sayers is a corporate big-wig....



Yessss! I am extremely doubtful of this one.


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