TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Time for a club-wide review; Mathieson wants shake-up (pg11)

Review by non-Carlton people please.

Parko and Walls can stay away.

A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board.

Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well.

At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn.

Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace.

When the time comes a full review will be undertaken, it just doesn't have to happen in public for all the world to see.

Ratts was due to chat with SEN's Crunch Time program this morning, but the club pulled him out. Read into it what you want.

Jungle Drums are beating...

FWIW

BlueinBlood wrote:

Ratts was due to chat with SEN's Crunch Time program this morning, but the club pulled him out. Read into it what you want.

BlueinBlood wrote:

Jungle Drums are beating...

Also, apparently Sheehan thinks Gavin Brown will be interim coach. Would've thought Richardson would be the obvious choice.

In any case, it looks like change may be about to happen one way or another.

Ockham's Razor wrote:

hmm, I like what you say about Ratts, but not so much that we should just trust the wisdom of the board to resolve this. If we would like some changes with the board and President for instance...how can that happen if they review themselves?

Anyone else notice Aaron Joseph say "We have a few things set in place now that will help us moving forward" after coming out of the post-game meeting? Mentioned it twice. Second time referred to 'a thing' i.e. singular.

I hope this means players who are injured will be out, and new players will come in for the rest of the season or something similar.

Author:	aramari [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:17 pm ]
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I'm concerned that bringing in a new coach may not be sufficient to reset the club in the direction needed to become a great club again. For example, Malthouse alone won't make the club as effective as Collingwood. I believe we need an independent review of the club, including all aspects of the football department, management and board, but why not have it NOW? Geelong did it mid-2006. I believe other teams have. If they aren't going to sack Ratts in the next few weeks, Andy McKay needs to take some control, tell Ratts that injured players do not play - Kreuz, Jamo, Yarran, Judd if necessary. Set up a professional independent review that can assess the dysfunction at the club which reports to the....oh shit that's right it would report to the board, of which Sticks is the chair. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether, or how, such a review can be effective when the top leadership is in question? A respected and appropriate business leader with mandate to make recommendations (including on the functionality and quality of the board) to the entire board? How can that potential conflict be averted? This isn't my area, but are there examples of it working?

Author:	The Normal One [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:19 pm ]
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Review by non-Carlton people please. Parko and Walls can stay away.

Author:	aramari [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:22 pm ]
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King Kenny wrote: Review by non-Carlton people please. Parko and Walls can stay away. Absolutely. But let's look beyond just the football department this time.

Author:	j.scarponi [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:25 pm ]
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Before a review happens I want them all locked up in a room with a mediator and have a H2H where all the shit and piss comes out.

Author:	The Normal One [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:26 pm ]
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I don't think you can, the board has its process of election.

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Author:	mikkey [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:36 pm ]
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Not sure why this needs a separate thread. But I would hire Malthouse to do the review. He did set up 2 very successful teams and knows what it takes.

Author:	Rexy [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:39 pm ]
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first there needs to be a boardroom coup - then they're free to implement an independent review this needs to happen now so a new structure can be in place by trade week and draft time - no time to waste !!!

Author:	Ockham's Razor [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:49 pm ]
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A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board. Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well. At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn. Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace. When the time comes a full review will be undertaken, it just doesn't have to happen in public for all the world to see.

Author:	Rexy [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:54 pm ]
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this season is gone - preparation for 2013 needs to start now ! no time to procrastinate - move NOW!

Author:	JohnM [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:56 pm ]
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Ockham's Razor wrote: A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board. Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well. At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn. Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace. When the time comes a full review will be undertaken, it just doesn't have to happen in public for all the world to see. I have absolutely no problem with that at all. You speak perfect sense. It's just that I have little faith in Kernahan, Gleeson, et al to manage this review.

Author:	Synbad [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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Ockham's Razor wrote: A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board. Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well. At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn. Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace. When the time comes a full review will be undertaken, it just doesn't have to happen in public for all the world to see. if his name was knights do we treat it different? and everyone knows how the club is no need to hide it. this is the time for the club to come clean. we are having difficulty believing in this club and needs to prove integrity! it has very little.

Author:	j.scarponi [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:50 pm ]
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Just a question - if there is a review and in chance happenstance the extrenal audit was found not be your liking and along the lines of injuries etc - would you accept it?

Author:	bluegirl72 [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:01 pm ]
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Ockham's Razor wrote: A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board. Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well. At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn. Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace. hmm, I like what you say about Ratts, but not so much that we should just trust the wisdom of the board to resolve this. If we would like some changes with the board and President for instance...how can that happen if they review themselves?

Author:	Donstuie [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:08 pm ]
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FWIW BlueinBlood wrote: Ratts was due to chat with SEN's Crunch Time program this morning, but the club pulled him out. Read into it what you want. BlueinBlood wrote: Jungle Drums are beating... Also, apparently Sheehan thinks Gavin Brown will be interim coach. Would've thought Richardson would be the obvious choice. In any case, it looks like change may be about to happen one way or another.

Author:	Synbad [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:14 pm ]
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the board lacks integrity. Too many heads on it and they dont all want to be seen as stupid . Collective stuidity is pretty bad.. cos the whole point of a group is to cancel each others malakies out whilst bringing in fresh indinvidual ideas There is no possible way a review will vindicate them for the multiple errors under their watch. So whatever review will come to be.. if any ... it will be window dressing only

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Author:	bluegirl72 [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:14 pm ]
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Donstuie wrote: FWIW BlueinBlood wrote: Ratts was due to chat with SEN's Crunch Time program this morning, but the club pulled him out. Read into it what you want. BlueinBlood wrote: Jungle Drums are beating... Also, apparently Sheehan thinks Gavin Brown will be interim coach. Would've thought Richardson would be the obvious choice. In any case, it looks like change may be about to happen one way or another. I never thought I'd say it DS, but I'd be ok with that. Start the new process. We have gone 1 step back, and now it's time for 2 steps forward.

Author:	aramari [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:09 pm ]
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bluegirl72 wrote: Ockham's Razor wrote: A review of any significance would need to be instigated by and answerable to the board. Do not for a moment think that board members, including Sticks, don't love the club. It's easy for us on TC to call for immediate change - there are multiple stakeholders in the club, we can't click our fingers sack a coach and expect all will be well. At present we are failing miserably but once a genuine review is completed corrective decisions will be implemented. Carlton has many very successful business people associated with it - the wheel will turn. Ratts is a Carlton champion, he is not succeeding, but don't tear into him as if he doesnt want the best for the club simply because he's failing. The proper time will come when he and the board agree it's over - allow him the dignity to leave with grace. hmm, I like what you say about Ratts, but not so much that we should just trust the wisdom of the board to resolve this. If we would like some changes with the board and President for instance...how can that happen if they review themselves? That's my point - can an effective review be done if the board itself lacks wisdom, judgement, objectivity and is itself in question?

Author:	aramari [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:27 pm ]
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So the board needs to be overhauled before any serious review? So no serious review in 2012 then?!

Author:	ShanDog [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:37 pm ]
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Anyone else notice Aaron Joseph say "We have a few things set in place now that will help us moving forward" after coming out of the post-game meeting? Mentioned it twice. Second time referred to 'a thing' i.e. singular. I hope this means players who are injured will be out, and new players will come in for the rest of the season or something similar.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:02 pm ]
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ShanDog wrote: Anyone else notice Aaron Joseph say "We have a few things set in place now that will help us moving forward" after coming out of the post-game meeting? Mentioned it twice. Second time referred to 'a thing' i.e. singular. I hope this means players who are injured will be out, and new players will come in for the rest of the season or something similar. I find it hard to imagine Joseph speaking cryptically,or sending subliminal messages.