I think he's summed it up very well. Look at last year...we had Murphy and Judd playing out of their skins and we still couldn't break into the top 4. An injury to one and slight form drop to the other and we're !@#$%&. West Coast lose most of their forward line and they're still doing fine. The filth lose key defenders and don't even have Swan and still beat Adelaide. We have been back in the draft long enough to have developed good depth. Instead we re-sign the list cloggers...re-sign players who we know aren't capable when we're up against the top (or even mediocre) teams. What sort of list management is that?

Its Judd based list management....hasn't worked....you still need structures drilled into the team as a whole....when you have the ball and when you don't....randomness is for tattslotto junkies....it won't win premierships....I'll repeat this for the hundreth time when watching us play focus on our fwd 50 entries....have not improved one iota in the last 5 years....it relies on Walker using the force to do the unbelievable and Betts kicking goals out of his arse....yeah Kev system trumps talent....because you can't recruit 22 Judds anymore....teams are made up of role-players now not superstars....

We are shit, but Essendon* and West Coast both lost in the weekend. WC have 5 players on their injury list and lost to Brisbane. Essendon* have 5 on their list and lost to Melbourne. A break down of their system?

We are shit, but Essendon* and West Coast both lost in the weekend. WC have 5 players on their injury list and lost to Brisbane. Essendon* have 5 on their list and lost to Melbourne. A break down of their system?

We have been back in the draft long enough to have developed good depth.

Instead we re-sign the list cloggers...re-sign players who we know aren't capable when we're up against the top (or even mediocre) teams. What sort of list management is that?

Pies have just lost pendles as well....that's basically their whole midfield taken out now....have a feeling they won't be shedding tears or using injuries as an excuse....

They lost by less than a goal in a 4 quarter contest.

We, as is becoming the norm, were out of our game inside 30 minutes of actual time.

BOUNCE by Matthew Syed.

Read it. It will explain everything, particularly why Roos and Malthouse managed to win flags with less "talented" lists, and why Lyon almost won 2 flags with a list containing the likes of Blake and Dawson and Ray.

And why Carlton couldn't win a flag between 1973 and 1978 with Jezza, Perce, Walls, Swan McKay, Keogh, Armstrong, Ashman, Southby, Austin, Davis, etc, etc in the team.

System + attitude + practice >>>>>>>>>> talent.

Ron Barassi: "talent is something that comes to you out of the eye of your father's cock". What he was saying was that he doesn't rate talent.

I'd rather Nick Maxwell and Tom Harley than a million Laurie Angwins. If you get their attitudes right and you drill them in a repeatable, workable system, they'll beat the Angwins.

Unfortunately, we haven't learnt that. Consequently, we keep looking for the next big thing, whether it's Gerard Healey or Brent Harvey or Nick Stevens or Chris Judd or Boak or Cloke or any other Travis xxx-oak. And then we'll bring them in to the same lack of system and then eventually blame them for things going awry.

List management that's been compromised by the last two drafts. If we had cut list cloggers such as Thornton, Collins, Bower and Joseph, then we would have Buckley, McInnes, McCarthy and Kerr out there. That wouldn't improve the situation. Watson and Bootsma aren't ready, but had to play.

Every side was scouring second tier leagues for players. That's why Austin and Sellar got another go. Late picks such as James Magner haven't even shown any more than Curnow did last year. Apparently the replacement is bound to be a better bet.

I back the club 100% to get out of the rut and perform well over the next month which is as the papers say season defining - I tend to think we will perform very well between rounds 16-24 and just fall out of top four around 6th.. But 28 fit players and no tall forwards in the mix available is a ludicrous situation.