Alrighty people, I'm a fantasy footy tragic.

It's always a trap for me to pick too many of our boys, purely because we know so much about them.

So who are the definite walk up starters this year for everyone?

Hendo? Mitch? Gibbs? Murph? Yarran? Bower?

Forgive me if this is an unwanted thread or if it should be somewhere else. Someone had to do it eventually. We had a good DT league last year. I think WA Blues won the league I was in.

Bring it on!!!!!!

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Better to wait until the pre-season, but I would assume Walker, Murphy, Yarran, Gibbs & Judd would all be good purchases unless their value has gone through the roof.

In Supercoach, I'd be wary of Murphy being overvalued coming into the season. He looks like he's preparing for a more inside role, which depending on how effectively he accumulates clean disposals, could see his scoring drop or soar.

Russell, Bower, Tuohy, Lucas, Curnow & Waite could all be good value depending on pre-season form/appearances, and how much each of their values have dipped from last year's based on their lack of appearances (the one major flaw with these games is that values only change when a player is playing).

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ok, the way I see it as follows:

K Lucas - in both DT & SC
Yarran - probably the same

Judd - SC only
Gibbs - both
Murphy - maybe DT???

Waite - think he represents good value, will take him for now

Kreuzer - undecided, very tempting

I'm not sure on Scotland either, struggling to fit him in.

Would you believe I considered Bower??? I know, weird, but he's so cheap, think M Clarke will be a better pick though.

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Sorry I forgot Kreuzer and Hampson as ruck options. If Henderson is in defence, they will be the second tall supporting Waite and likely averaging upwards of 20 hitouts and a goal a game each.

A few possessions, marks and tackles, and you're looking at 70 a week from both of them, which could make for a good value second ruck if you want to spend elsewhere.

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Don't play it any more but I reckon Curnow would be one to have this year for sure.

Murphy going inside, probably wont hurt his Supercoach game as they weight contested possessions highly.

As other have mentioned, Bower if fit is basically rookie price.

Yarran listed as a back, but keep an eye on his role.

Lucas/Tuohy as your classic low-mid price guys having a breakout year.

Wouldn't touch any of our rucks due to the uncertainty of their roles, and the fact that regardless of what happens they will share the duties around. Best ruckman are the Sandi/Goldstein/Mumford types who do 95% of the work. Mumford a couple of times last year hit 50+ hitouts.

Gibbs no longer a lock, now he has lost his backline eligibility. Wouldn't like taking him over Judd, Murphy, Pendles, Swan, Mitchell, Priddis, NDS etc, etc as you think there will still be times he might have to go back/forward or perform a run with role.

The risk of Waite not playing 20-22 games would keep me away from him. Might start the year slowly, due to his limited pre-season so he is one you dont necessarily need to start with as his price shouldn't get to out of reach.

Rowe is listed as fwd/ruck at rookie price, so a good bench option if he starts Rnd 1.

Walker is listed as a fwd, but if he plays more midfield as reported then he's definitely one who would increase his point scoring, even though he wont score as many goals.

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If he wins them, which is why I think he should be monitored in pre-season. He is really beefed up at the moment, and I don't think it was really necessary.


I think Warnock won't play much in the first half of the season. Personally I'd look for Cox & Sandilands to be my starting rucks, but I'm not playing this season (again).


Neither would I, but I would look for him to be undervalued given his supposedly increase fitness and his starting to find a niche in the midfield group in the lead-up to his injury. IMO, he will kick a few goals next season and average in the mid-20s for possessions.


I agree, but if he's cheap, he's worth the punt so long as you're not going too speculative on too many players.


Speaking of speculative. I think Rowe is a bit back in the queue, particularly after injury.


Either way he could be a good option if he gets more of high half-forward role in a refreshed forward line.

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jimmae 70 points for a second ruckman is a poor return.

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Depends on how much you're spending and where else you're spending it. This is where you can use Sabermetrics.

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Not at the start of the year. You don't really want to overspend on 2nd ruck I've always thought.

Biggest question for me is will Yarran's role change much given the improvement of ZT and the possible inclusion of Bower in the backline???

Agree Jimmae that you need to hold off and check NAB cup form. Bower could be a real steal!

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70 points is good for a second ruckman that you would upgrade, those listed don't fit into that category. Pick Bower with a view to trading him by the season half way mark, still think Clarke is better value.

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Speaking strictly about supercoach....

After playing for the past 4 years it's clear to me that picking players for the 'break out year' is a terrible strategy.
Each year the inevitable hype gets up around a bunch of midpriced players who are finally fully fit, with a new role and who will surely break into the elite scoring bracket.
Problem is it almost never works out. There's no such thing as a bargain in supercoach. They're midpriced for a reason: they're inconsistent.
Or, perhaps more accurately, there are bargain players, but they're not the ones you're looking at.
Last year everyone was going on about Boak, Hurley, Grimes, Higgins, Yarran etc.
They were pretty much all a waste of time and trades.
Even Yarran, who wasn't a failure (I picked him), was really only a break even pick.
The best pick for 2011 was Fyfe. But be honest, how many of you really had him on your radar this time last year?

No, what you want is premiums and rookies.
Premiums are players between about the ages of 21-27. They're in the top 10 players at their clubs, with clearly defined roles, good injuries histories and a record of high, consistent scoring. If fit they'll play all 22 games for the season. They hold their prices more or less, but they put the big points on the board.
Rookies are guys priced under about 170K. This is where you speculate and make your money.

So the Carlton players on your radar should really be:

Murphy, Judd, Gibbs & Scotland.
Then Robinson, Yarran and Walker at a stretch in the fwds and backs, since those lines are typically light on for talent.

And our rookies seem to be Rowe, Bower & Kerr at this stage.


Curnow, Waite, Tuohy, Lucas et al. are all fraught with danger. At absolute best, you could probably hope for them to increase their averages by around 20 points. But even then, there are plenty of rookies who'll score you those same points but earn you more cash while doing it.

what araldite said.....premiums and rookies.

Although I'm considering Tuohy as a mid price who might earn some cash, or at worse settle into B7 at the end of the year.

We'll see what the nab cup brings us then. Got a feeling Yarran may step up a little and pretty sure Lucas will be good value.

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Ill be taking Bower in both my dream team and supercoach, he is cheap as and i think he will have a good season. Definately worth the punt at $157,200 in Supercoach and $136,800 in Dream team

Gibbs is in for sure, and im gonna take Kruzer he will have a great year

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For SC;

Gibbs is locked into mine. check out his scoring towards the end of last season when he moved more into the role he's expected to take full time this year. He's undervalued, even allowing for losing DPP status.

I normally take a strict Guns and Rookies line, but if Lucas' training form holds up and he gets selected, he will be in my team. He's not massively over a high rookie price, and he's just had his third preseason. He'll shoot up to $400k smartly and can get sacrificed around the bye week.

I really want to have Tuohy on the same basis, but he might be slightly too expensive. But he is ideally suited to SC scoring - long accurate kicks are gold in SC. If he's playing and settles into a steady role he should score well.

I want to have Kreuzer in the team, but there's too much uncertainty over his role, and he's the type that could get thrown around all over the place if injuries strike. If you are looking at that price level for your 2nd rick, you are probably better off going MacIntosh.

I'm not convinced Bower's getting a game, so while the price is attractive, he's not scoring if he's not in the 22. Whereas Richmond, for example have a couple of rookie backs who already look like they are ready for Rd 1 (if fit).

Murphy and Judd I am not as convinced of from a value perspective. I share other's concerns on how Murph's role might affect his scoring. He is one of the most consistent scoring players in the league though, so it's not like he'd be going south completely, even if eh had a slight dip. He's a upgrade target later int eh season for mine, once we know more of the team structure.

They would be the only Carlton players I would consider - with apologies to the uber consistent Heath Scotland.

If Sammy Rowe can get a few games early he'd be a nice money spinner on your bench.
I would've thought he was recruited for a role in 2012 so should see him get a few games

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He interesting. At the moment, he'd ahve to be sitting behind some sort of Warnock/Kreuzer/Hammer combo (and Waite of course).

So unless Warnock is going to miss the start of the year, I can't see how rowe forces his way in if those guys are all fit.

I think Rowe will be an excellent donwgrade target later in the season, when the inevitable happens and one of the other bigs gets injured.