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CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
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Author:  Lurker Blue [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
As part of the proposed changes to the CFC Constitution, the board wants to strip the voting rights of long distance, and interstate members.

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instead of an Ordinary Member being required to complete formal registration to entitle that person to vote, the mere payment of the membership fee for the category of Ordinary membership following the making of an application, will entitle that person to vote.

Great change, no more mucking around with having to register.

But here's the kicker for long distance, and interstate members.

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to be regarded as an Ordinary member, the person must choose a category of membership that entitles that person to attend a minimum of all home games of the Club during the year.

So screw you if you live outside of Melbourne, or can't afford an 11 game membership.

We'll take your money, but we're not interested in what you have to say.

Well @#$%&! you board! It's cheaper for me to just buy GA tickets to games, than to buy a membership; it's basically just a donation, and now you're trying to take my vote away!

No taxation without representation!

Vote Against Item 1 Special Resolution!
Author:  RickJ [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip members voting rights
Jesus Christ!

On rare occasions I have the view that a benevolent dictatorship is more functional than a democratically elected body. After all, do we really want the unwashed and uneducated masses having a proper say. However, that occasional feeling of mine quickly passes when I sober up.

When I see stuff like this it is a reminder that sometimes boards of directors can get a little too comfortable and cozy . The more difficult they make it to vote, or the more they act to exclude certain subgroups from voting because they dont feel it will be good for them, the more it worries me.

The previous need to register before one can vote is bureaucratic obstruction at its worst. I hate bureaucracy with a passion. Thank goodness that this bureaucratic bullshit has been removed.

What on God's earth do they hope to achieve by excluding long distance members? I'm a Melburnian, but if someone lives in country Victoria or interstate or overseas, surely this speaks to their passion and committment to the club above and beyond that of local supporters and members. I mean what is the incentive to pay for a membership you will hardly ever use, and then be told you cant have a say in the club you love. What are they worried about?

And I thought "I AM CARLTON" was all about inclusion, ownership, and belonging.

Mind boggling stupidity.
Author:  dane [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  CFC Board to strip members voting rights
Here we go...
Author:  Lurker Blue [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to change members voting rights
Can the mods please not censor me.

The board doesn't want to change my voting rights, they want to strip them.

Please change the thread title back.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to change members voting rights
I second Luker's post. I already know of one 2011 member who won't be a member in 2012 because of this. This is just a batshit crazy move by the club and makes little, if any sense....
Author:  Dirko [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to change members voting rights
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
I second Luker's post. I already know of one 2011 member who won't be a member in 2012 because of this. This is just a batshit crazy move by the club and makes little, if any sense....


I agree. The only reason I am a member is to;

A. Support the Club
B. Have a vote

So they now wish to take away a vital part of the membership. Makes sense. :confused:

In the "Questions for Ryan Trainor" thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31021 my question was
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Has the club looked at the interstate market and seen the massive support shown for Carlton, and put plans into place to capitalise on the under utilisation of those markets?


Yeah, perhaps they have, and decided people who live interstate/overseas or can't afford the full membership just ain't worth a pinch of shit.
Author:  Noonamah Blue [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
I live in Darwin and rarely can get to games - usually only once a year. I am a member as I believe in truly supporting the club I love. I had intended to renew as usual but this removal of voting rights has caused me to reconsider. :confused:
Author:  camel [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to change members voting rights
Dirko wrote:
I agree. The only reason I am a member is to;

A. Support the Club
B. Have a vote.


Yep, pretty much the same rationale goes into my membership decisions as well.

I don't have a problem with there being a minimum membership level required to entitle one to voting rights, that's kind of standard practice in some ways, but I think an 11 game membership should suffice.
Author:  NTBlue [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
I also live in Darwin and am a long term member.

I have suggested to the club on a number of occassions that I would be willing to pay for a membership equivalent to a Gold Membership but with some other perk instead of the reserved seat for all home games.

The type of things they could do instead of a seat for all home games is to provide entry to a coteries group or other club sponsored event for a couple of games for interstate members.

I have been thanked for my suggestions but have not seen any change - so I will probably continue to pay my $120 or so for interstate membership when they could be getting three or four times that much from me.

Edited 0nce for typo errors
Author:  Noonamah Blue [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
NTBlue wrote:
I also live in Darwin and am a long term member.

I have suggested to the club on a number of occassions that I would be willing to pay for a membership equivalent to a Gold Membership but with some other perk instead of the reserved seat for all home games.

The type of things they could do instead of a seat for all home games is to provide entry to a coteries group or other club sponsored event for a couple of games for interstate mambers.

I have been thanked for my suggestions but have not seen any change - so I will probably continue to pay my $120 or so for interstate memebership when they could be getting three or four times that much from me.


+1.
Author:  Heavs [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
Who the hell has kidnapped KaptainKouta? This thread has been up since last night and nary a peep!
Author:  Blue Vain [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip members voting rights
dane wrote:
Here we go...


Yes. How dare the long distance members be upset at having their rights removed by the club. :roll:
Author:  dane [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip members voting rights
Blue Vain wrote:
dane wrote:
Here we go...


Yes. How dare the long distance members be upset at having their rights removed by the club. :roll:


Use their current right to vote against it happening?
Author:  The Rhino [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
Seems incredibly small minded and endemic of a by-gone era, of which was the very reason we struggle to grow the brand outside of our traditional area of Melbourne in the first place.
Author:  jimmae [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
I just hope the resolution is split into the two components mentioned, because abolishing the need to pen a form in order that you can pen another form has always seemed stupid to me. Nothing other than an attempt to maintain the status quo.
Author:  dane [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
Costs $64 p.a more for a vote.
Author:  dane [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
I'm voting against it btw.
Author:  kingkerna [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to change members voting rights
camelboy wrote:
Dirko wrote:
I agree. The only reason I am a member is to;

A. Support the Club
B. Have a vote.


Yep, pretty much the same rationale goes into my membership decisions as well.

I don't have a problem with there being a minimum membership level required to entitle one to voting rights, that's kind of standard practice in some ways, but I think an 11 game membership should suffice.

an 11 game membership does suffice according to this change
Author:  Koro [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
Poor decision. As a long distance member who doesn't get to any Carlton games usually as I don't live anywhere near any of the venues, this just makes me want to not be a member. I guess, I can still pay as I won't be a member anyway - just offering a non tax-deductible donation to the club or buying a collection of merchandise telling me what I no longer really am.

It is already hard enough convincing the wife to pay the money when I don't get to a game usually, or if I do, it is cheaper to just buy the ticket. Now, I wouldn't even feel like a real member, just a second rate supporter. It runs counter to Carlton's long help PR and approach of being a widespread supported club that enjoys having lots of members all over the place. And as was mentioned very well above, not really I AM CARLTON. More like I AM CARLTON* (See fine print)

From a less emotive point of view, I do not see how making a more restrictive, policy of voting rights is a positive for the club. Disenfranchising it's members in certain areas or to certain criterion such as this is gerrymandering. I can see how it is a positive for some board members, but not the CFC. I guess we are lucky that our board isn't running the AEC, or we'd be back to needing to be a landowner before you got the right to vote.
Author:  Belisarius [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CFC Board to strip some members' voting rights
Poor move :screwy: You want to make interstate members as much a part of the club as possible, not less so. I imagine many of them get little value out of their memberships and pretty much consider the money donations.
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